Tex Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 I just believe in equal rights for all and I hate paying the IRS. That's the my core.That's interesting. How do you expect Obamacare to survive without tax dollars? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I said I hate paying them, not that I don't pay them. I know what it all goes toward and I'm cool with that.I'm cool with socialist fiscal stuff to help people stay alive. I'm less interested in subsidizing federal programs to make up for the fact that Churches get to be tax free or to pay for a military that's 10 times larger than it needs to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I would be okay with taxing churches, provided that there's a separation for charitable activities by the church. If a church provides a soup kitchen or pays heating or housing bills for the needy, I think donations towards that should be tax free. I also think that it would end the weird situation where direct political activity by some churches is allowed. Let them all be as political as they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good God a Bear Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 So since we're talking about taxing churches what about groups like NAACP? Shouldn't they be taxed as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 I would be okay with taxing churches, provided that there's a separation for charitable activities by the church. If a church provides a soup kitchen or pays heating or housing bills for the needy, I think donations towards that should be tax free. I also think that it would end the weird situation where direct political activity by some churches is allowed. Let them all be as political as they want.Yeah-- I'm not talking about churches in community who are actually helpful. Like Chalupa said, I'm thinking of mega churches, Scientology, etc-- organizations that are obviously tax dodges and the founders are billionaires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 So since we're talking about taxing churches what about groups like NAACP? Shouldn't they be taxed as well?I actually think Fozzie's post works here too. If an organization can proves it's non-profit and/or charitable contribution and needs help solely for operating funds, that's not as much of an issue. The money that could be made off taxing Scientology and a couple megachurches might even pay for a ton of the social programs Trump wants to cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Poe Dameron Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 After all, seems like most wars are over religion, anyway. They might as well pay for the wars they start. When was the last war caused by an American religion? The Mormon conflicts of the 19th century? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 So far we have the stereotype that all wars are about money, and the one about religion. How come nobody blames wars on sex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 So far we have the stereotype that all wars are about money, and the one about religion. How come nobody blames wars on sex?Well, there's Robert's Rebellion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 Lyanna's fault. She could've told Robert to fuck off. Sure he'd be pissed, and Dorne would be too, but it would've saved thousands of lives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc DuQuesne Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 After all, seems like most wars are over religion, anyway. They might as well pay for the wars they start. When was the last war caused by an American religion? The Mormon conflicts of the 19th century? American religion? That seems pretty constrictive. You acknowledge the fairly recent conflicts with the Mormons. Aren't they the biggest U.S. born religion? Who else is going to start mixing things up? The Jehovah's Witnesses? And what about that Waco crap, couldn't we attribute that to religion? And half the things that happen every day if we try hard enough... The war on terror, which is just the new iteration of the age old conflict, is all justified (from the terrorists point of view) on religious grounds, by the people who want what we have. It isn't really about religion, but it's a good excuse. Just like the Mormon conflicts had little to do with religion and lots to do with influence and power. Religion gets scapegoated a lot. Not because of the religion, but for what it gets used for. It took me, as an atheist, a lot longer than it should have to realize that. I was too busy blaming instead of analyzing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 American religion? That seems pretty constrictive. I was responding to the idea that religions should lose their tax exempt policy because they get us into war and should pay their fair share. My use of American religions included all of the religions that enjoy tax exempt status, or would if that status existed back then. Not just the ones that were born in the United States. And, yeah, while an argument can be made that some recent wars have had religious components that originated in the United States, the link is rather tangential. Including wars that are started because religions in foreign countries have created conflicts wouldn't make much sense. They don't have a tax burden to exempt in the first place. You acknowledge the fairly recent conflicts with the Mormons. The last significant military action happened during the Buchanan Administration prior to the Civil War. I wouldn't count that as recent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transducer X Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 After all, seems like most wars are over religion, anyway. They might as well pay for the wars they start. When was the last war caused by an American religion? The Mormon conflicts of the 19th century? It was legal to kill a Mormon in Missouri up until 1976. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 A funny thing is happening. The violent left wing is starting to get a light shined on it. Trump completely botched the message, but the message does seem to be getting out in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted August 31, 2017 Author Share Posted August 31, 2017 After all, seems like most wars are over religion, anyway. They might as well pay for the wars they start. When was the last war caused by an American religion? The Mormon conflicts of the 19th century? It was legal to kill a Mormon in Missouri up until 1976. Mormon history is actually very interesting. Honestly it could be/is its own class in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 This week should be a lesson to Trump. He has done nothing himself in about a week to get the media riled up. So what do they do when left to figure stuff out for themselves? Social media complains about Melania's heels and Trump's hats. In the midst of what's happening in Texas everyone can't help but think "really"? Certain outlets have proven they will go off the rails to take a dig at him. Unfortunately he feels the need to fight back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 Someone's always taking digs at the President. Any President. All Presidents. Trump doesn't get that - he just wants to be adulated all the time. He raved about the size of crowds in Texas, as if his trip there was so people could see him. Wasn't he there to see them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Do you really think that the treatment Trump is receiving is on par with what W. received? I only mention Bush because I thought he was unfairly attacked most of the time. I'm not saying he isn't complicit in some of it, but he is taking shots that are a bit over the top. The past couple of days outlets have been talking about his lack of compassion while visiting Houston. All of that has been perceived. Nothing he said or did. I'd rather talk about practice with Allen Iverson than what is in the news most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 The war between the president and the media is ridiculous on both sides. There are plenty of reasons to detest Trump without making stuff up or exaggeration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerina Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Do you really think that the treatment Trump is receiving is on par with what W. received? I only mention Bush because I thought he was unfairly attacked most of the time. I'm not saying he isn't complicit in some of it, but he is taking shots that are a bit over the top. The past couple of days outlets have been talking about his lack of compassion while visiting Houston. All of that has been perceived. Nothing he said or did. I'd rather talk about practice with Allen Iverson than what is in the news most of the time.Did he visit Houston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 He's going to be in Houston tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 The war between the president and the media is ridiculous on both sides. There are plenty of reasons to detest Trump without making stuff up or exaggeration.As funny as you put it, you are correct. Certain media won't stop because they have an agenda. Mainly to get people against Trump for the next election. Trump won't stop because he has to have the last word. Problem is when he gets them he doesn't stop. He goes one step further which usually gets the whole cycle going again. He has no filter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Cerina - as someone who lives in an area that has suffered a natural disaster, do you feel like having the president visit is important? I've never been in that situation, but I don't really see a need for the president to visit, as long as people who can actually do something are doing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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