yolande

Critisizing america and americans is fine thats part of your right as a free person to do so and state your opinion.

 

but if your going to do so they you can at least do so equally.

 

i mean americans are not the only ones who are patriotic, or brag about their victories (as an american i have never seen another to this to a foreigner), or interfear in areas of other countries concerns.

 

 

if your going to critisize you can at least do it equally rather that making america out to be this big bad place where only evil thrives. when all your really doing is holding this generation accountable for past generations doings when you ignor your own.

 

 

you say we are arogant. ok fine i accept that. but how about you? and your country? and other countries?

 

usually a world power is blamed for things and disliked and i accept that but why exactly is that only one sided and why cant people see that they also to the same thing?

Darth Krawlie:

Darth Krawlie:

Darth Krawlie:

I'm utterly pissed of by the stupidity I see from some Americans.

yeah I know, I deal with it every day. Did you know that about half of all Americans finished in the bottom 50% of their class in school? Bell curves are a *****.

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wait what

 

r u 4 reel that half of all Americans were in the bottom half of their class? OMG I CAN'T BELIEVE IT.

isnt it obvious that you can do that with all countries if you adjust the standards your judging by!!!!!!!!!

 

and isnt it equally obvious that 50% graduated at the top of their class!!!!!!!

 

 

and why dont you go get the stats on other countries also. leading nations and poor nations also. and make sure they are all being judged by the same standard.

RavEMasteR:

RavEMasteR:

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As apposed to everyone else’s hypocrisy? Like the French in the Congo…[qb]

 

Thanks for trying to divert the attention, but you gotta do better than that.

 

The Americans have been hypocrites, time and again, like the French had been, or the Russians, or the Chinese, or the Japanese, or...

 

However, American hypocrisy irritates me the most because they're just so blatant in nature.

 

 

right so our hipocracy is different. ok got that but its better to just come out and say somting rather than dance around the point. if you dont say somthing people wont hear it and even then if it isnt bold some people wont comprehend it. Better to be understood and offend than missunderstood and cause even bigger problems

 

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yeah I know, I deal with it every day. Did you know that about half of all Americans finished in the bottom 50% of their class in school? Bell curves are a *****.

 

 

and if half of all americans finished in the bottom 50% didnt half of all americans finish in the top 50%!!!!!!!! what an astounding fact. but you can do that to every nation in the world becasue there is always an upper 50 and a lower 50.

 

[qb]You’re right. We really mucked that one up. Let’s say we just give your country back to the Japanese. That sounds fair.

I would personally prefer to live under their rule given the choice between your democracy and Japanese dictatorship.

 

Besides, Japan turned out to be one of the world's strongest economies, and it's definitely better than what we have here.

 

 

right and you think that every country in the world would be exactly the same as it is now?!?!? right, so if the US didnt intervened Hittle would have disapeared, the ussr would never have exsisted and while we are at it lets just whip out all the other events from WW2 to now becasue the would never have happened if WW2 events didnt take place as they did.

 

Those events are what formed the current.

 

Oh, in some people's viewpoints, the Americans DID defeat Japan, but those who "liberated" us were the Brits, not you. And no, your country's efforts meant little to the European side of the war, where most of the fighting was. Your country was merely part of the force. You guys didn't ****ing own the team.

yeah it was a group effort but i have never heard any american say that it wasnt. and just for your information it was not only the brits who "liberated" it was multiple countries.

 

and just for your information the commander over all the troops durring WW2 was american later president Eisenhower. and as a commander he worked with every part to make the forces work together and win which they did.

Fat_Gut_Strut:

Word RaveMAster.

 

If I hear once more about how the US saved the world in ww2 I think Im going to scream. Its as if they single handedly saved the world from the Germans and Japanese. And thanks to American war movies, where there is no accurate representation of what really happened, people buy into that ****. Where in reality, if the war had stayed in Europe and North Eastern Asia the USA would have happily stayed un involved in the conflict

 

But thats beside the point, and kinda belongs in the past. I think alot of Anti American sentiment these days is deserved. Not all of it of course, but a lot yes.

so now ya'll are complaining about us not intervening!!!!! yes actually we would have stayed out of ww2 if we hadnt been atacked at Pearl Harbor. and yes actually that would have changed the way the world is today if we had stayed out.

 

and by the way would you mind telling be who was winning before the us came into the war? because to my knowledge it was Germany and Britian was the last country standing in hittlers way and the only reason they werent captured also was because of the english channel and because he was fighting on two fronts.

 

 

and since you find american envolvenment to be so futial in ww2 how exactly do you think it would have ended up if we hadnt interveaned?

 

 

and why exactly are you complaning about how americans wouldnt have interviend if we wernt attacked !!! isnt that what you people want for us to become issolationists again and stop meddling!!! why wont you make up your minds already.

"beat=cop" never knew that. Where are you from? England?

 

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Yes i know all that but as the title says after WW2 which equals Cold War which means hight of amerian busy body.

 

how bout an example of us intervention before or after the cold war not including the Panama Canal incident or the mexican one which i cannt remember the name of because we paid them off and i already named them.

I understand where your coming from with the GWB "new heighths" thing but its not really true. Since the last war we were in america has not really had much foreign intervention past the norm. (Except for help programs to other nations like Peace Corp type of work but that has been ongoing since the 60's JFK era)

 

America, during the Cold War (which is where I belive at least most of the anti-american feelings arose from originated) was a busy body working out of the fear of a communistic take over since half the world was communistic and Europe was still weak since it was the grounds of WW2 and it had to litteraly rebuild its economy (agriculture was bombed, industry was bombed etc.)which made it vurnable to a communitst take over. Whether this was logical or not is not the point it was the beilf at the time which the govenment acted upon.

 

Yes I admit america did over extend itself during this time out of fear technically it didnt have a right to be in Korea or Vietnam and technically it didnt need to monitarily support Turkey and Greece. But after the Cold War ended and The USSR colapsed American intervention came to a stand still while resentment continued.

 

only begining again when we were attacked. which i dont see how we can be blamed for that.

 

And how exactly do we treat the rest of the world like they are beat?

 

 

And throughout American history America is never the one to attack first there has always been a cause which moved the americans or some kind of action which justified in the americans minds at least retaliation. Or if there wasnt such as in Panama when we wanted to build the Panama Canal we later purchased it for a lot of money more than it was worth (without the canal naturally)also we gave mexico money after the mexican war i belive for so land or somthing (im a bit fuzzy over that fact but we did give money to them for somthing we felt guilty over)

 

During the Cold War America was motivated by fear we gave aid, monitarily, to anyone who was "resisting the communistic threat" which included Greece and Turkey.

 

the two main military conflects were The Korean conflect (not called a war) and the Vietnam War.

 

The justification for the vietnam war was given in the Tilden Gulf Resolution where LBJ said that the N. vietnemesase shot an American battleship. the details of this incident are a bit fuzzy and the truth may be that the North Vietnemease fired in self defence but it has never been proven either way. THis was the justification that america needed and afterthe Tilden Gulf Resolution combat troops and american intervention in Vietnam increased greatly.

 

This is really a self created justification which is why i bring it up, so it cant be thrown at me later the. Vietnam War and Korean Conflect are really the two interventions of the USA that either have self proclaimed justifications or no justification. Any resentment from these conflicts is to be expected.

 

Resentment from the Latin America is also to be expected because under the Monroe Docteranin and the Roosevelt Corallary there have been multiple instinces of American intervention.

 

But never in the corse of history has america declaired war on another country by outright attacks. all major wars except for the two above were provoked.

 

___---not to say that america rules the world but as a world power you end up making alot of choises that alter the course of history and other countries.-

 

with this remarke you can replace american with any other country Britan, France, Iraq, Russia, China that has ever been the world power and have it still be a true statement of that era.

 

 

How exactly do americans act as if they beat the rest of the world? exact examples please.

 

 

and if you say that america is not the world power , than who is and prove it.

And who for enders?

 

 

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For a rough translation <<laissez faire>> means hands off. this was praticed by

 

Warren G. Harding (1921-1923)

Calvin Coolidge (1921-1923)

Herbert Hoover (1929-1933)

 

The blame for the Great Depression is mainly set on Hoovers becaue durring WW1 he was the head of home policies which made him qualified for the presidancy. With that experience Hoover had the ability ease the Great Depression for the common people rather than praticing hands off and beliving that the economy would work itself out rather than continue to spiral.

 

as shown by FDR's New Deal which helped the people threw his "Alphabet-Soup" project, governmental intervention dose help. FDR didnt stop the Depression ( it took WW2 to do that ) but he did help ease it for the people with projects such as the Civilian Conservation Corp, the Agricutural Adjustment Act, and the WPA and the PWA.

Are politicians not elected to act? What good is a leader who pratices << laisse-faire>>

 

(I belive the answer to that is shown in post WW1)

What do you mean by authoritarian meddlers?? I know what the words mean and know my deffinition of them but what did you mean by them? Example please.

 

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Wwhen did I say Anti-Bush made Anti-American?? I said there was a lot of Anti-American steming from Anti-Bush but I did not say Anti-Bush=Anti-American. There is always a loosing side in an election.

SORRY. About the spelling and errors, I agree with you on that point my grammar and spelling seems to go down hill as I find the topic more interesting.

I ve traveled abrod and listened to my friends and in each instance there is a lot of anti american feeling. this is coming from an american (im not quite sure where this forum is based out of, so thats just to clarify). Durring our last election I had alot of my friends say "im moving to canada if bush wins'. well unfortinatly none of them left

 

but the responce to things people dont like in my generation seems to be leave and lets hope its better some where else. how dose that really help? if somthings wrong fix it dont run. although if the democrats who said lets go to canada did actually leave i would have paid for their trip. but thats besides the point.

 

a lot of anti-americanism comes from the war and bush policies. but i think the anti american movenment has more to do with america than bush a lot of people do not approve of him or his policies but i think the anti has been going on for much longer that his era.

 

I think it relates to durring the aftermath of WW2 and the Cold War when america emerged as one of the two main world powers, Russia and the USA.

 

With this new power came a lot of responsability which caused the american government to have to make desissions that did not always come out in favor of all parites/ countries. At one point or another america has made some dession or or judgement that has offended some country in some way which causes people to be pissed at us. well fine.you cant always rule with the majority.

 

not to say that america rules the world but as a world power you end up making alot of choises that alter the course of history and other countries.

 

If you go back in time and look at the british empire, or any other large empire for that matter, and look at the political and public opinions of that time they would look alot like the attitudes that are bing dirceted at america now.

 

because at that time the british were the biggest, best and strongest which letterally enable them to do almost anything they liked which however cocky it sounds is the position american is in now.

 

Although we are curently a debtors nation the UN has little power Russia and China are no longer a threat and South america has never been a threat.

 

People always tend to blame authority when things go bad. for example look at when how WW2 started.

 

the economy in Germany was bad and people were being layed off by their bosses and couldnt get loans from the banks. While each of these eastablishments were owned by jewish people. the workers blamed the bosses and the bankers for their loss of job and home rather than the economy and the treaty of Vesailles which pushed the enormous reperations on Germany. the people blamed the bosses rather than the obsurd foreign policies that pushed all countries after WW1 into depresson.

 

just as the workers blamed their bosses for their troubles. Today people see american intervention and when things are going well than its fine but as soon as somthing falters then everthing is the americans falt becasue they should have been able to predict this naturally their sapoused to be the best. while suprise suprise we are human too and a littler corperation would really help to get programs running so that people can be helped rather than be blamed.

 

after all it is your country. what is with hating america yes were there and yes you dont like us i compleatly understand i would hate every soilder that ever set foot on american soil but like the Japanease after WW2 the better you comply the quicker you can have rule of your country back. McCarthy was incharge of getting Japan's government changed after WW2 the Japanese were very compliant becasue they relized the sooner they agreed the sooner the american troops would leave. while yes occupying troops are bad and really pissoff natives but by harrassing them do you really think they will leave? has that ever made and american leave? we re as stuborn as a hell! and movenment ,action or dessiosion americans make has not always been resulting in compleate and total world distrucition. like any other country we have made bad dessiosions but dose that really deserve the scorn of every other country to always be directed at us!!!!!!!!?

 

and thats just the forign antomaosity there is alot of desention in america over the elections and the tension between the republicans and democrat policies really seem to be heating up to the point that the country appears to be torn with anti america in america because some one isnt getting their way or their party isnt in power. while thats how the system of democracy works you have to work threw it in order to get what you want rather than complain and threat and shout about unfairnes and injustice .