Fozzie 7,197 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Honestly, I suspect they’ll handle Wandavision in a few lines of dialogue. Link to post Share on other sites
Tank 3,881 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 2 hours ago, Fozzie said: Honestly, I suspect they’ll handle Wandavision in a few lines of dialogue. They've already done at least this in the trailers, so you're probably not wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
zambingo 308 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Well obviously, y’all. The execution of getting an audience “up to speed” is the thing, and then whether whatever you did to get them up to speed hurts the payoff you’re hoping they get from your story etc. I don’t envy the writers here, for sure. And to be honest, I’m getting tired of long form story telling in everything from Marvel to Star Wars to Star Trek to James Bond of all things. Maybe it’s nostalgia, but I remember the days… well the nights… of Nick at Night and watching whatever original Star Trek episode was airing and never once feeling like I missed something. Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzie 7,197 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 26 minutes ago, zambingo said: Well obviously, y’all. The execution of getting an audience “up to speed” is the thing, and then whether whatever you did to get them up to speed hurts the payoff you’re hoping they get from your story etc. I don’t envy the writers here, for sure. And to be honest, I’m getting tired of long form story telling in everything from Marvel to Star Wars to Star Trek to James Bond of all things. Maybe it’s nostalgia, but I remember the days… well the nights… of Nick at Night and watching whatever original Star Trek episode was airing and never once feeling like I missed something. And yet when there is episodic content, people complain incessantly. See: Mandalorian season 1. Link to post Share on other sites
zambingo 308 Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 Well, I think attributing episodic to the Mandalorian is a li’l bit of a stretch. At the very least when contrasted to the reference of the original series Star Trek. But I hear ya. Link to post Share on other sites
Quetzalcoatl 143 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 22 hours ago, Tank said: To be honest, I think you’re the outlier in this. As TVs get higher res and everything is shot on digitally, and effects get cheaper, from a technical aspect all you are getting in the theater that you can’t get at home is the size of the screen and the experience of sitting in a theater. Most people prefer watching things at home, especially with Covid. While the budgets for the Marvel and SW shows aren’t quite at the level of the movies, they are still pretty good, and the storytelling is on par. Also, these aren’t long TV seasons, most are 8-12 episodes. In Marvel’s case the use the movies to tell the big epic tales, but the TV shows to focus on smaller character driven stuff. They’ve all honestly been great so far. For me, it's all starting to seem a little overwhelming, like the MCU has gotten too big, to the point that I'm now feeling like I have to devote a good chunk of my free time to it that I'd rather spend in other ways. I'm an outdoors guy, and I'm usually out hiking somewhere when the weather is good. And when I am indoors, I'm usually reading. Television is just never on my radar. After a bad break-up years ago, I'm finally getting back out there and dating again. And somehow I need to squeeze hours and hours worth of D+ shows into my already limited free time in order to follow a movie in a theater. I'm sure the shows are great, but I think watching them would feel too much like a chore to me. Watching movies and TV shows is supposed to be a form of procrastination. It shouldn't feel like work or a responsibility, and if I'm now going to watch a ton of shows that I otherwise wouldn't watch just so I can fully follow a 2 hour film in a theater, I have to wonder if it's worth it. This sucks for people like me, because I was always a big fan of the MCU, and until now, all we needed to follow an MCU movie were the other MCU movies, and I feel blindsided because I can't just walk into the theater anymore without having to prep for it first. Link to post Share on other sites
Tank 3,881 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 You're not wrong, even as a fan it does seem like overkill and a big commitment. I have been slow to every Marvel entry post Endgame save for Wandavision and Far From Home. That said, aside from Eternals, I haven't been unhappy with any of it. Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzie 7,197 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 There are only a few times you’ve had to watch a previous MCU movie to be able to follow a later one. You might get more out of it if you’ve seen everything, but you could easily skip most of them and still follow everything. I’m sure the TV shows are going to be the same. Marvel is interested in making money and having billion dollar films. Link to post Share on other sites
Quetzalcoatl 143 Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 In most cases, I'm an "all or nothing" kind of person. I'm either all in, or not at all. I've always had a strict policy that I never see a sequel without its predecessor first. Even if I can still follow the story, I hate getting that "I clearly missed something somewhere" feeling. I made a point of reading The Silmarillian before reading LOTR for that exact purpose. Even if I could follow LOTR without it, all those constant references to those earlier stories would have ruined it for me. I feel like Marvel's cinematic universe is becoming just like its comics. I start reading one title, only two find out at some point that I was supposed to be reading 15 others to get the whole story, and they never bothered to tell me. lol Link to post Share on other sites
CoLA 180 Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 On 2/18/2022 at 5:41 PM, Quetzalcoatl said: In most cases, I'm an "all or nothing" kind of person. I'm either all in, or not at all. I've always had a strict policy that I never see a sequel without its predecessor first. Even if I can still follow the story, I hate getting that "I clearly missed something somewhere" feeling. I made a point of reading The Silmarillian before reading LOTR for that exact purpose. Even if I could follow LOTR without it, all those constant references to those earlier stories would have ruined it for me. I feel like Marvel's cinematic universe is becoming just like its comics. I start reading one title, only two find out at some point that I was supposed to be reading 15 others to get the whole story, and they never bothered to tell me. lol Marvel Studios needs their version of an editor's note for their movies and series! Not sure how they would insert those in, though... Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzie 7,197 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 24 minutes ago, CoLA said: Marvel Studios needs their version of an editor's note for their movies and series! Not sure how they would insert those in, though... Link to post Share on other sites
CoLA 180 Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 21 minutes ago, Fozzie said: Even better if he just pops into a scene to quickly explain it! Link to post Share on other sites
Fozzie 7,197 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 Just now, CoLA said: Even better if he just pops into a scene to quickly explain it! I’m picturing it just like an editors note: he pops up in a little picture in a picture to explain things. Seriously, though, that reminds me of the best part of the Eric Bana Hulk movie - it really leaned into being a comic book movie in a way that was really fun. I’m not a comic book guy at all, but I really enjoyed that aspect. Link to post Share on other sites
Spider-Man 140 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 I pushed through my 2020 heightened anxiety and made it to a theater for this. I think the film was everything a Star Wars Prequel film was. The dialogue was horrible, the FX took you on the needed ride, the story had glimpses of something that could be and then doesn’t deliver. I feel that Wanda was cheated of a journey for her own and had to play second to yet another superdude. I feel that what was supposed to be her biggest badass moments felt like, to use some Wrestling lingo, defeating some random jobbers to get over. I feel that America Chavez was wasted. That generally about 50 minutes was wasted on spectacle rather than substance. Perhaps if this film didn’t even have Doctor Strange and instead focused on the dynamic of Wanda and the new hero America, fashioned in a Yin Yang sense then this could be something. Ugh. I’m uselessly rewriting now. Look. Okay. There is stuff to like in this. It’s just, I dunno. Link to post Share on other sites
Quetzalcoatl 143 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 Yep, should have watched WandaVision first. Link to post Share on other sites
CoLA 180 Posted May 9 Author Share Posted May 9 I liked it but it really has some required viewing before going in...WandaVision, No Way Home and maybe some What If to get what's up and who everyone is. I'm surprised they did not get Ioan Gruffold as Mr. Fantastic. That Illuminati fight was pretty brutal! Link to post Share on other sites
Spider-Man 140 Posted May 9 Share Posted May 9 That’s a good point, re: your spoiler tag. And here’s a specific issue I had which I would have put into my last comment, but I forgot we could hide things with spoiler tags. It’s in regards to how the story, for me, feels like it should never have been a Doctor Strange film, big spoilers. MCU Wanda should have fought or killed another Wanda, and at the very least been taken to complete task by another Wanda. The plot says MCU Wanda’s rage and grief leads her to the Darkhold, but both the Darkhold plus her rage and grief aren’t what gives Wanda her powers. So another Wanda, a good Wanda, should have been her foil. Instead we needed to have a man (Strange) minimize her trauma, tell her she’s being bad, and to stop it. Then another man (Xavier) goes into a good Wanda’s head to help her against MCU Wanda because apparently a stable Wanda is useless. Nice message there, MCDudes. TWS Oh how I wish we’d have gone into MCU Wanda’s mind near the end when “her boys” were scared out of their minds. With a flash, we could be back in the blank astral plane again. This time it’s MCU Wanda staring at Good Wanda, who’s standing there with no fear. The audience would be expecting the shit to fly here. But instead have Good Wanda gesture to her side and there suddenly is a picnic, or living room sofa set, or a dining set, whatever forms. How cool would it have been for one of MCU Wanda’s WandaVision living rooms to form? Then just have Good Wanda say, “Sit. Talk to me.” We don’t have to see the conversation. We don’t have to get deep here. That one line should, I think, hit. We can then cut back to 616 and MCU Wanda can end the film. For a moment the audience could still think she is going to hurt America, but she doesn’t. That’s it. Look, I know we can infer something like this happens anyway. MCU Wanda is on her knees weeping at the point “her boys” are scared. I just think seeing the moment in the Astral Plane would reinforce that the stable, Good Wanda wasn’t weak, and isn’t lesser than raging MCU Wanda. Good Wanda would have been just surprised by the dream control earlier. I dunno. There are lots of ways to have balanced this. Earlier in the film when Xavier entered into the mind of Good Wanda, she could have told him to leave her mind because he’s in danger not her. MCU Wanda could kill him anyway. I just wanted more balance for Wanda, more time for Wanda, rather than what we got. Link to post Share on other sites
Tank 3,881 Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago I guess I can say some of this now that the movie is out... but I've had to sit on spoilers for months now. As I hinted in other threads, I pitched on a D+ show for one of the characters in MoM. I can't say who, or who behind the scenes I am working on it with... but you know... AMERICA sure is the country I live in. Cesar CHAVEZ blvd isn't far from me. Point being, I had been briefed an earlier pre-reshoots version of this movie for the pitch. But one of the things in the earlier versions was that Wanda was actually killing off all her alters, some of them rather brutally. I'm actually shocked that the fact Wanda was the villain didn't get out until the movie premiered. Also, shocked more people aren't mad about it considering how great Wandavision is. Though i suppose it is true to the character for her to vacillate between good guy/bad guy. This is basically the MCU's version of "No More Mutants" for her. I have no idea what her future is, but now that we have time travel in Endgame and the multiverse deeply delved into in 3 different MCU entries, they now have the same reset buttons and get-out-death-free cards that the comics did. They can kill anyone off and always bring them back as an alter. It's honestly why I don't like multiverse tales, cause nothing ever really sticks. We're in the weeds now. I will add too, my earlier brief included none of the info about the Illuminati, so that was all a super treat for me. As for my feelings about the movie itself.... I applaud it for being the most un-MCU formula dependent of any MCU movie... but it felt cut and paste to me. The heavy rewrites/reshoots really showed I think. Lots of things were just told to us as opposed to unfolding. It's certainly not the worst, or even close to IM3 Thor 2 levels of suck-- but as far as movies go, post Endgame, Spider-Man is the only one to really deliver on the magic I think, pun intended. Link to post Share on other sites
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