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2 hours ago, Zathras said:

Anything's possible.  Juries are unpredictable.   I think it unlikely they will find him not guilty.  But, could be a hung jury, which effectively is the same thing. 

As long as they all have atleast 1 brain cell, I think he will be convicted of at least murder 3.

 

After the past year, I’m not sure Americans have a single brain cell between all of us.

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3 hours ago, Destiny Skywalker said:

If they acquit him, there are going to be riots. And they probably should riot. But its going to be bad.

Agreed.  Something worse than the Watts riots I imagine.

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The jurors burst into tears during the video. I think this is the one cop that finally gets his punishment for being a bad cop. He skated too long on the system that allows this to keep happening. But hey, I'm an optimist.

Okay, is anyone pissed that they're pivoting to say George's drug addiction and health issues are his reason for his death during this trial? Like even a healthy person should haven't a knee on his head for 9+ minutes. So I should die because I'm fat and don't exercise because I need to be prepared to have some cop sit on my neck while others block it? George's health issues and drug addiction should have ZERO to do with what the hell a cop was doing sitting on his neck. This defense is making me mad because my sister has addiction issues and if a cop did that to her I'd be super angry.

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Here's the thing, everyone on that jury knows that Chauvin killed Floyd. Everyone in the country, hell even the world, knows this. And if that's all that our justice system hinged on, it would be a done deal. But Americans have such a warped view of justice and punishment that it doesn't actually matter. 

We view justice as a system of "what they deserved" where what someone "deserves" is often more about their individual demographics and characteristics rather than the circumstances surrounding a single event and the event itself. We tend to view justice as transactional as well - do A, then B. We don't deal with the big picture. We don't bother to think about what crime is or why it happens or what we can do to prevent it. 

We're also overly-punitive. Americans just LOVE to punish someone. You can see this attitude in the way people think about and talk about children as well. Anyone here who's a parent knows that if you go seeking advice about nearly anything involving your kids, people are going to suggest new punishments or ways to control behavior (which are often very punitive in themselves even if people wouldn't label them outright as a punishment). We apply this liberally whenever there's a "crime" involved as well. People want to see someone punished for a crime. We don't want to see criminals rehabilitated or systemic issues corrected, we want to see someone pay. And in far too many cases, it doesn't matter whether the person paying is actually guilty, but it does matter if they're seen as someone "deserving". "Deserving" people need punishment. "Non-deserving" people don't. 

Just think, prosecutors and district attorneys are known by their conviction rate regardless of whether that conviction rate actually has any effect on the crime rate or safety of their jurisdiction. Hell, our local constable precinct posts every single arrest they make on their Facebook page to brag about how "well" they're doing, and people EAT. IT. UP. There's no mention of presumed innocence or care for a suspect's privacy. But they claim to want to keep the public informed and aware of what's happening in their community. And yet, you know what, last night over 2 dozen of their officers, a K9 unit, and the HPD helicopter were all over my block looking for a suspect who broke into 2 vehicles at 3AM. They never found the guy, but do you think they're going to mention it on the FB page? Pfft. There isn't anyone to punish, so why bother? 

My point being, everyone knows that Derek Chauvin murdered George Floyd, but that doesn't meant that everyone think he's "deserving" of punishment for it. The defense just needs to throw everything they can at the jury so that ONE person who doesn't want to see Chauvin pay has something to cling to. 

If anyone is looking for some good moral outrage this weekend, watch 13th and then The Innocence Files both on Netflix. Our system is so broken, and these 2 shows do a decent job of scratching the surface. 

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