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Star Trek Strange New Worlds


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https://trekmovie.co...ays-co-creator/

 

So, this news has been out about a week, and I think many who watched Discovery knew this was inevitable.   As someone who hasn't watched Discovery outside the first couple episodes and long before Anson Mount's (and the Enterprise's) appearance, but has been spoiled on most episodes, I understand that Mount's Pike is pretty popular.  I have seen a number of interviews with him in it, and he seems like a cool guy.  

 

I also like the fact this show will be more episodic, more importantly it seems it will be POSITIVE, and it seems to me that CBS is actually making an effort to make a Star Trek show for long time fans of the Roddenberry/Berman era.  Time will tell if this show lives up to the hype, and I have to admit that I have NOT been a fan of Star Trek since 2009.  The JJ verse was disappointing, namely Into Darkness, and comes off as a caricature of what I consider real Star Trek (TOS).  I lasted only 2 episodes with Discovery, and being spoiled on most of seasons 1 and 2,  has really disappointed me.   Picard, while it was nice to see P Stew back and other TNG/Voy alum, was almost as disappointing at times, and I hope Season 2 is much better.  Bad Robot/Secret Hideout really make me nervous about Strange New Worlds, because up until now, the way Bad Robot and Secret Hide out have operated is basically to say "F YOU, we want to change Star Trek into our vision" to long time fans of the Star Trek franchise, which has angered many fans, let along hasn't exactly brought in much of a new fan base. Many would say the JJ verse and the so-called CBS prime verse has been either a failure, or at best, mixed results.  But this article does give me a glimmer of hope that SOMEONE at CBS is finally getting the message and creating something for us long time fans of the franchise.  

 

I have no problem if shows like Discovery continue, so long as there is also a place for shows like Strange New Worlds that may be more like the classic era.  

 

Anyone else feel similarly, or have any opinions they want to share with this news?



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Discovery was pretty hit or miss, but I felt it got better as the show progressed. Pike was one of the best parts, so to have him on the Enterprise in a new show sounds fun. Not a big fan of who they have for Spock though. His retconned origin was a little annoying too, but that's more to do with Burnham than Spock I guess. Either way, I'll watch it.


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Discovery was pretty hit or miss, but I felt it got better as the show progressed. Pike was one of the best parts, so to have him on the Enterprise in a new show sounds fun. Not a big fan of who they have for Spock though. His retconned origin was a little annoying too, but that's more to do with Burnham than Spock I guess. Either way, I'll watch it.

Yeah I was spoiled on the back story of this version of Spock, and when I read about it, I was like WTF.  I can't speak to Peck's acting, but he doesn't look anything like Leonard Nimoy.  One of the things I really liked about the JJ verse is casting Quinto as Spock.  I can't think of any modern actor they could have come up with that would have done as well, and I wish they had found someone more like Quinto (I know they couldn't cast him, because he's about 10 years too old at this point).   Peck, just going by what he looks like, seems to have the look of a fan film version of Spock.  But, I will give the guy a chance and I may end up liking him as well as Quinto, hopefully.

 

Oh, and Rebecca Romijn as Number One is brilliant!



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Yeah, Disco has been real iffy. But as soon as Pike showed up and they dude the pseudo sequel to The Cage, everyone felt like that was the show we wanted. It even found a way to update the camp visuals. I didn't the Michael/Spock stuff, but free and clear of Disco, I'm hoping this actually happens.
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From the pics of the new Enterprise and its bridge, I think they did a really good job feeling modern, but staying true to the classic look.  I personally have always been of the opinion that even the classic TOS bridge, especially the color scheme from the Cage, IS a modern looking bridge layout, minus the controls (which do look fake by today's standards).  A lot can be done with the right lighting.  



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I do not understand ...
 
a) why this isn't just going to be called Star Trek ???
 
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b) why this isn't going to be airing on television ????
 
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c) how could the Discovery  travel to Talos IV if it's a capital offense under General Order 7, wait, what's the point of prohibiting travel to that planet if the inhabitants are still capable of telepathy over interstellar distances, wait, why is Pike uncomfortable w/women on the bridge if he's served alongside them his whole life


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You just blew my mind.

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I do not understand ...
 
a) why this isn't just going to be called Star Trek ???
 
&
 
b) why this isn't going to be airing on television ????
 
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c) how could the Discovery  travel to Talos IV if it's a capital offense under General Order 7, wait, what's the point of prohibiting travel to that planet if the inhabitants are still capable of telepathy over interstellar distances, wait, why is Pike uncomfortable w/women on the bridge if he's served alongside them his whole life

Discovery and Strange New Worlds are an alt timeline?  That works for me, anyway.  



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I do not understand ...
 
a) why this isn't just going to be called Star Trek ???
 
&
 
b) why this isn't going to be airing on television ????
 
&
 
c) how could the Discovery  travel to Talos IV if it's a capital offense under General Order 7, wait, what's the point of prohibiting travel to that planet if the inhabitants are still capable of telepathy over interstellar distances, wait, why is Pike uncomfortable w/women on the bridge if he's served alongside them his whole life

Discovery and Strange New Worlds are an alt timeline?  That works for me, anyway.

 

 

What kind of פֿאַרקאַקטע timeline do WE live in that they're going to be make a Star Trek featuring a familiar concept and familiar people in familiar uniforms and they're not just going to air it on TV with a familiar title where an audience of aging baby boomers can tune in and watch? When they re-made Hawaii Five-0 they didn't call it Hawaii Five-0 : No Snakes Here or what-have-you and make it only available by dialing in to the CBS MUD!!!

 

AND FURTHERMORE

 

If it's an alternate timeline why would they deliberately centre the events of 'The Cage' not just on the level of narrative but exe-diegetically cutting in footage from TOS into the program itself which speaks to the larger overall point that Discovery is only meaningful (currently) as a prelude to established canon, they end the most recent season w/Michael Burnham tearfully begging Spock to become friends w/Kirk, how can that be an 'alternate timeline', the story only works because of its deep ties to these other older stories; the final imagery of the second season is the USS Enterprise going off into space w/classic Spock in classic uniform on its bridge, Burnham has reconciled the conflicting portions of herself so successfully that it has summoned into full being this totemic emblem of what the franchise IS, she (and the show!) is free to go be in the far future because of this v. specif. past she's wrought


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I totally agree with you.  There were too many inconsistencies with Discovery  from the get, which is why I didn't warm to it after the first 2 episodes.  When I say alt timeline, I am talking about my own head canon.  That is the only way I can wrap my head around Discovery, and now this new show, SNW(?).  They really could have simply called it Star Trek like you are saying, but honestly, every single show since TOS has had a subtitle (TNG, VOY, DS9, ENT, etc), so it does make sense they went with a subtitle.  In fact, even the original series is now known as Star Trek TOS.

 

The thing is, Kurtzman stated that Disco is prime universe, and for the last 11 years, under the Abrams/Kurtzman era, NOBODY at CBS or Paramount gives an eff about canon, or the world building that went into Star Trek before 2009.  In fact, a case can be made that they wanted to transform Star Trek into something completely different and were hostile towards what came before. At least the JJ movies explicitly say the movies are in an alt timeline.  Unfortunately, every issue you pointed out, really has no good in-universe answer for Discovery's (and by extension, SNW's) lack of consistency.  I think I personally could have accepted Discovery more, had they done the same thing and explicitly stated it is yet another timeline.  

 

As far as I am concerned, I won't watch Discovery because of that, though. Well, that, and the asinine story-lines like Kling-orcs, spore drives and red angels. However, because it seems like CBS is trying to right the ship by making a Star Trek series that is closer to what I loved (Roddenberry-Berman era), I AM willing to give SNW a chance, and if I end up liking it, I will simply choose to think of it as an alt timeline, even if technically it isn't according to CBS, and there are inconsistancies with TOS.  

 

As for it not being on broadcast TV, I also agree.  I sooo wish it was.  However, what I have read online about CBS All Access indicates it is in trouble, and CBS is going to rebrand and relaunch it.  So, I speculate that Star Trek Strange New Worlds will be one of the anchor shows for whatever they call the new CBS All Access. 



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Every single other sequel and/or spin-off show is about different people in a different place. This is a show about some of the same people in the same place. I have to assume, even if only for purely commercial reasons, that it would make sense to just call it by the same name in order to try to attract the largest possible audience. I don't understand the television business (how come a Star Trek show could get cancelled for ONLY having two and a half million live television viewers in '05 but now that there's nearly no live television viewers it's time to have a Star Trek show and another Star Trek show and another Star Trek show and another Star Trek show) or how Star Trek makes any sense (so there are magic crystals in the engineering room that somehow use the combination of matter and anti-matter to generate some sort of magic plasma that is then sent throughout the ship to somehow make the ship able to go magically fast?????) and plenty else besides (why have we re-opened things here in Ontario when we're in the midst of increasing numbers of positive cases EVEN AS the number of tests we're doing is plummeting!!!!!!) but your explanation of head canon (I wish I could get some head canon!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) sure seems a-okay to me!!!!!!!!



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Hey I get what you mean. It is crazy to think that this is the third prequel series, too. As a fan of Star Trek since 1977 (that is as far back as I remember), I have spent the last 15 years feeling like I've been in the wilderness.  I am not a fan of the JJ verse, though I liked the 1st and 3rd movies well enough to be able to rewatch them once in a super blue moon.  I really can't bring myself to watch Discovery, so I hope Strange New Worlds doesn't require one to watch Disco season 2. 

 

I also would prefer a series that is not a prequel.  Star Trek ENT (which I loved) was enough Star Trek prequel for me.  However, the reason I am willing to give Strange New Worlds a chance is that Anson Mount's Captain Pike seems interesting to me.  I've not seen Disco, but I have seen excerpts with Pike, as well as interviews of Anson Mount, where he just seems to me he could be a really good captain and deserves his own show.  He just has that unnameable thing like P-Stew, Shatner, and Brooks...command presence, maybe?  Also, whomever decided to make Rebecca Romijin as Number One, really got that right.  She still is beautiful, really looks the part, and I happen to think she is a good actress.  Also,***nerd alert*** it's kind of cool that years ago there was a Star Trek/X-men crossover comic (non canon), and now we are seeing an Xmen movies alum in a Star Trek show, something Famke Janssen can also claim.





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