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What's your final E1-9 ranking?


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I'd debate the PT being "coherent."



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The PT and the ST are flip sides of the same coin. As individual films, the PT is incoherent, bloated, and at times completely confusing. But when you watch the trilogy as a whole, you know what you watched and the point of the story.

The ST is much better on an individual basis, but there's no flow between the films, and no overall story.
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This is where I'm naive - but what really is incoherent about the prequels? Don't get me wrong, there were many, many times I said "that's f**king stupid" but things still made sense. I'm probably forgetting things but I don't remember there being anything too confusing, exception probably that whole Syfo Dias crap in AoTC. 



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Syfo Dias, the Trade Federation blockade, why Anakin turned, why anyone ever liked Anakin...


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Yeah gotcha - though why Anakin turned I think made sense. . .it was just one of those f**king stupid things. 

 

Though actually on reflection, Padme's death is still the most senseless thing in the entire franchise. 



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While I don't agree with Tank on the prequels, he makes a great point in that the movie should speak for itself and not a book or something the director or producer tells you afterwards. The opening scene in ROTS is a big huh if you didn't see the first Clone Wars series.

In George Lucas's perfect world the Clone Wars cartoon would have aired in the three years between AOTC and ROTS. The story would have been told in real time not retrospectively. Still wouldn't have solved the problem for those not watching the cartoon. For those that did, people would have cried that Ahsoka wasn't in the movies.

While Syfo Dias was covered in the Clone Wars it just confirmed that an extra character was added for no reason. Just say Dooku ordered the clone army.

Unfortunately The Clone Wars got Anakin right. It wasn't really even entirely Lucas's fault. Matt Lanter just did a much better job portraying Anakin than Hayden did. In two movies Hayden went through four or five accents.

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TCW always felt to me like something they created to correct the inconsistencies of the PT.  

 

I think the ST could have something similar done, at least for the lead up to TFA.  Maybe a CGI Filoni series based on Luke, Leia, and Han, with Ben Solo entering Luke's Jedi Order.  I'm sure it wouldn't be hard to get MH to reprise his role via voice acting. It IS what he does for a living.   If Filoni involved, I am sure he could find a way to incorporate some TCW/Rebels characters in there, too.


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Yeah gotcha - though why Anakin turned I think made sense. . .it was just one of those f**king stupid things. 
 
Though actually on reflection, Padme's death is still the most senseless thing in the entire franchise. 


I don't know about that. "I had some nightmares so I'm going to turn on my friends and murder kids"?

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TCW should have been the PT.
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In George Lucas's mind it is. Episodes 2.1 to 2.30.

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I just mean the CW should have been the backdrop the way the civil war was in the OT.
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While I don't agree with Tank on the prequels, he makes a great point in that the movie should speak for itself and not a book or something the director or producer tells you afterwards. The opening scene in ROTS is a big huh if you didn't see the first Clone Wars series.

I agree that movies should stand alone without any ancillary material. I first heard that from James Cameron back in the 80's and have watched movies like that ever sense. What is odd about Cameron saying it is he said it to mean that sequels should work that way too. He said even if a movie is a sequel a person should be able to watch and understand it even if he has never seen the previous installments. There are quite a few great movies that wouldn't hold up to this standard.

I disagree that the opening to ROTS was confusing unless you watched the Clone Wars micro series. Everyone I knew at the time who saw ROTS never watched that series-my wife, friends, parents, etc. They knew what was happening because the opening crawl pretty much brought them up to speed:

In a stunning move, the fiendish droid leader, General Grievous, has swept into the Republic capital and kidnapped Chancellor Palpatine, leader of the Galactic Senate.

As the Separatist Droid Army attempts to flee the besieged capital with their valuable hostage, two Jedi Knights lead a desperate mission to rescue the captive Chancellor...


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I don't know about that. "I had some nightmares so I'm going to turn on my friends and murder kids"?

 

He'd had visions of his mother in Episode II so it made sense when he had the same visions in Episode III he'd do anything to avoid it. Again, it was executed really poorly but it was still consistent with what had come before, particularly since Lucas established Anakin as a melodramatic whiny b*tch. 

 

 

I disagree that the opening to ROTS was confusing unless you watched the Clone Wars micro series. Everyone I knew at the time who saw ROTS never watched that series-my wife, friends, parents, etc. 

 

 

Yeah, I never really found the opening to ROTS confusing at all. In fact I'd still say it has the second best opening to a Star Wars movie after ANH. I like Tank's idea that they should have used the Clone Wars as a backdrop like they did for the Civil War but I wasn't unhappy with how they did it, and that was well before the series came out to "fill in the gaps". 


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Totally agree with Wader. The Prequels should have been totally different, that's a given, but as badly executed (scripted, performed, rendered, etc) those movies were, the main story followed a more-or-less coherent arc. The ST less so. The ST is superior in all those other ways though, so it ends up looking and feeling like the superior product.



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