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This is all I took away from that post.

In retrospect we shoulda let Jon Favreu have it!

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I think the mistake has been trying to be part of the OTs legacy. When they step outside of trying to keep the OT character mythos going it's been fine. Rogue One and Mandalorian have been great.

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It sounds like the issue was, and overall has been, that there's been little interest in making good movies. There's instead been a lot of interest in fan service. I'm sure JJ had strict marching orders on that for both TFA and The Rise of Palpaclone, and probably had a million notes on the latter.

 

Even the stuff that I've enjoyed has had a lot of fan service. R1 was a prequel with direct ties to ANH and had Vaderas a prequel era Jedi to make fans squeal. The Mandalorian is a Boba Fett / Yoda mash-up.

 

It seems to me that Johnson was the only one allowed to try something new and after that they went into super-lockdown mode.

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Ok, the Palpatine cloning thing is just getting weirder...

 

https://screenrant.com/star-wars-rise-skywalker-rey-father-palpatine-clone/

 

I dont even understand it. Palpatine created a clone to transfer his essence, but the clone was too weak so Palpatine transferred again and the clone went on to lead a normal life, have a wife and kid?

OMG. That is so effing dumb.

 

 

This why Star Wars books shouldnt exist.

They served their purpose in the 90s before more movies were made, but you are not wrong.

 

 

Furthermore, when you have to release books to explain your movie, you're a sh*** writer.

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The EU in the 90s was eating frozen pizza in a town without a pizzeria. It wasn't good, but it sorta satisfied the urge.

The EU in the 90s was definitely wannabe Totino's Kroger Brand 3-month old freezer-burned frozen pizza for sure. But as bad as it was, 90s EU> Disney EU, and arguably more well thought out than the ST.

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Disney has made 4 really good movies and one bad one. That's a pretty solid rate. Issue isn't that they made a bad one, thats gonna happen if you keep making content. The issue is the whole thought process behind the movie was wrong and Disney didn't stick to their guns and their own convictions. I've said before no matter what your thoughts on TLJ are all the evidence suggests Disney and Lucasfilm loved it. Johnson is the only man to make it through an entire production plus they announced a development with him before the release of TLJ. The problem is that TROS isn't Disney's reaction to a movie they didn't like. It's their reaction to the reaction from parts of fandom. If Disney had said "we understand a segment of fans don't like TLJ and we regret that but we really feel that movies of this ilk are the way forward for the franchise..." and then they still made a bad movie with IX then fine, its a bad movie. They didn't give themselves a chance here though, they put a bunch of stuff in the movie while crossing their fingers and thinking "oh man we hope that this doesn't piss people off."

 

You see people with the Trevorrow script saying that it's a long way from script to movie and there is no way to know how good the movie woulda been. Thats 100% true but that script had a chance to be a good movie. The script and storyline of TROS didn't have a chance. There was no way to take the ideas in that script and make something good.

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Really good is relative.

 

I'd say Rogue one is really good. TFA was good. Solo was OK. TLJ and TROS were objectively terrible.

Id say TLJ is a masterpiece. TFA and R1 are very good. Solo is a good, fun movie. TROS is a disaster.

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I put it at 1 of 4 with the 1 good one being R1. And I think it's because of what he said:


I think the mistake has been trying to be part of the OTs legacy. When they step outside of trying to keep the OT character mythos going it's been fine. Rogue One and Mandalorian have been great.

 

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Agreed with Choc, regardless of what you feel about TLJ, the biggest issue with Rise of Skywalker is not following through on their 'vision'. You can make things work even without a plan, instead they just look f**king weak and it ends up as an incoherent mess.

 

I don't agree that the existing EU / Legends was any better though. For one, the fan service throughout far outweighed anything Disney has done and it wasn't any better planned - the majority of it was one author wanting to go one direction and then totally overridden by another author wanting to go somewhere else entirely. You would have something great written by Zahn just to go entirely to shit by Anderson.

 

Plus, to steal a point from Tank, Star Wars is a largely a sonic series. So while some of the books might have been great, they were never able to capture the true Star Wars feeling. No visual, no John Williams. . .The closest we got in the absence of the films were the video games and while some are truly great experiences, the stories were never that great and mostly leaned on the OT as we're getting now.

 

The only SW material to break away from the mould have been the prequels, Last Jedi and the books dealing with yuuzhan vong. All of them generally panned. An argument can be made around the quality, but generally fandom just want what they're familiar with.

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People who hate TLJ generally hate it because of the content. It's a competently made film.

 

TROS hate comes from both content, and the fact it is a sloppy mess as a film despite the content.

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People who hate TLJ generally hate it because of the content. It's a competently made film.

 

TROS hate comes from both content, and the fact it is a sloppy mess as a film despite the content.

It's a pretty looking film production wise, but I am going to have to part company with some of you. In my view, the writing is a hot mess in TLJ, as well. this is not a criticism of anyone here, though. We all like what we like and that is OK.

 

My hate for TLJ largely because of the nonsensical slow motion space race that makes zero sense, and the Rose/Finn side quest that turns out to be a complete waste of time, and Poe's mutiny, which Vice Admiral purple hair could have nipped in the bud before it even started, by not acting so obnoxious. I just don't buy any of it, and I think it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how space travel works (both in the Star wars universe, and other sci fi we are all used to), and when a military organization is running for its life from a superior force, people just don't act that way. Hell, in a situation like that, Poe and his cohorts should have been executed (as we saw Gaeta in BSG, or what would really happen in a real life military). Enough has been said about the 30 minute Space Vegas divergence, so I won't go there, but all those points just seem like contrived plot points that are convenient for the writer (RJ) to get where he is going (which was to put the protagonists in the worst possible situation, to be resolved in the next film), rather than what really makes logical sense, and what would be a natural chain of events. I didn't have a problem so much with Luke as a hermit, or his shame over what happened between him and Kylo. But the non-training training session for Rey could have been handled a lot differently, and a lot better.

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The minute you start to apply logic to space travel or science to Star Wars the whole franchise falls apart - I don't think that's something particular to TLJ at all. It's always been fantasy set in space, not actual science fiction. This is where TLJ has had unfair criticism imo. I don't think it's fair to compare any Star Wars movie to other SF franchises because generally they are trying to apply a degree of realism - SW can get away with this stuff, something like Star Trek or BSG absolutely can't.

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Saying the Rose/Finn quest is a waste of time is a complete misunderstanding of what the movie is doing. Yes, they fail, but thats the entire point of the sequence. In fact it goes further than them failing, them going there is what leads them to meet DJ who reveals the Resistances escape plan to the First Order. The mission they go on to save the Resistance leads to the actual good plan of Capt Holdo's being exposed.

 

Its one of the main themes of the movies. These massively heroic things characters do or these overly convaluted hero ball plans don't work in the movie. From Poe's mission at the start of the movie which gets the Resistance entire bomber fleet destroyed to the Canto Bight mission. These things fail. Thats the point. That's what the movie is tryig to tell us. The Canto Bight stuff isn't a waste of time, in fact its critical to the whole idea of the movie.

 

That's not to say those are my favorite scenes in the movie or that this idea couldn't have been conveyed with a better mission for Finn and Rose. But saying its a waste of time is crazy.

 

Also, a "30 minute space casino divergence" is simply not true. They spend roughly 2 six minute long sequences on that planet. If you add in the planning scene with Maz and the scene with them returning you are up to a bit more than that but still nowhere near a half hour. The scenes probably take place over a roughly 30 minute segment of the movie but its intercut with other stuff.

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People who hate TLJ generally hate it because of the content. It's a competently made film.

 

TROS hate comes from both content, and the fact it is a sloppy mess as a film despite the content.

I knew it wouldn't be the movie I wanted the first time I heard Palpatine laugh in the first trailer but yeah I thought it would still be a good, fun movie with all the trappings of Star Wars.

 

Im easy to please, this is the first time I ever left a Star Wars movie not extremely happy. Sometimes that opinion may change over time, sometimes not. This is the first time though I didn't have that excitment of seeing it the first time and then just wanting to go again and again. To being excited for the DVD to come out. That's what is sad to me abot this movie That 6 month span of just loving it for it being friggin Star Wars. Over time some of the movies may lose some luster and that's fine, I just watch them less than the others. This really is the first time I didn't have that initial excitement from seeing a Star Wars movie.

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The minute you start to apply logic to space travel or science to Star Wars the whole franchise falls apart - I don't think that's something particular to TLJ at all. It's always been fantasy set in space, not actual science fiction. This is where TLJ has had unfair criticism imo. I don't think it's fair to compare any Star Wars movie to other SF franchises because generally they are trying to apply a degree of realism - SW can get away with this stuff, something like Star Trek or BSG absolutely can't.

Exactly, I remember people being mad that the bombs "fell" in space during the opening battle. To the point where Lucasfilm gave a reason, which is actually sound (there is artificial gravity inside the bomb bay and once the bombs are falling in that direction they would continue to do so). Really though, who cares? This is a society that can figure out how to build space stations as big as moons that can blow up planets with a single lazer blast and can also have enough energy to move this moon sized space station faster than the speed of light across star systems. I wouldn't think it beyond them to figure out a way to make bombs move in a certain direction.

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People who hate TLJ generally hate it because of the content. It's a competently made film.

 

TROS hate comes from both content, and the fact it is a sloppy mess as a film despite the content.

It's a pretty looking film production wise, but I am going to have to part company with some of you. In my view, the writing is a hot mess in TLJ, as well. this is not a criticism of anyone here, though. We all like what we like and that is OK.

 

My hate for TLJ largely because of the nonsensical slow motion space race that makes zero sense, and the Rose/Finn side quest that turns out to be a complete waste of time, and Poe's mutiny, which Vice Admiral purple hair could have nipped in the bud before it even started, by not acting so obnoxious. I just don't buy any of it, and I think it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how space travel works (both in the Star wars universe, and other sci fi we are all used to), and when a military organization is running for its life from a superior force, people just don't act that way. Hell, in a situation like that, Poe and his cohorts should have been executed (as we saw Gaeta in BSG, or what would really happen in a real life military). Enough has been said about the 30 minute Space Vegas divergence, so I won't go there, but all those points just seem like contrived plot points that are convenient for the writer (RJ) to get where he is going (which was to put the protagonists in the worst possible situation, to be resolved in the next film), rather than what really makes logical sense, and what would be a natural chain of events. I didn't have a problem so much with Luke as a hermit, or his shame over what happened between him and Kylo. But the non-training training session for Rey could have been handled a lot differently, and a lot better.

 

I actually agree with you about the space chase-- but I was mainly speaking to the majority of angry nerds angry that Luke wasn't a God :)

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The minute you start to apply logic to space travel or science to Star Wars the whole franchise falls apart - I don't think that's something particular to TLJ at all. It's always been fantasy set in space, not actual science fiction. This is where TLJ has had unfair criticism imo. I don't think it's fair to compare any Star Wars movie to other SF franchises because generally they are trying to apply a degree of realism - SW can get away with this stuff, something like Star Trek or BSG absolutely can't.

Exactly, I remember people being mad that the bombs "fell" in space during the opening battle. To the point where Lucasfilm gave a reason, which is actually sound (there is artificial gravity inside the bomb bay and once the bombs are falling in that direction they would continue to do so). Really though, who cares? This is a society that can figure out how to build space stations as big as moons that can blow up planets with a single lazer blast and can also have enough energy to move this moon sized space station faster than the speed of light across star systems. I wouldn't think it beyond them to figure out a way to make bombs move in a certain direction.

 

The thing that annoyed me most about that particular argument was they did exactly that in Empire Strikes Back. People forgot that TIE's dropped bombs on an asteroid.

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Empire also has a scene where they go out onto an asteroid which has no atmosphere, in just oxygen masks but no space suits and this asteroid evidently has enough gravity where they are planted onto the asteroids surface. LOL

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I actually agree with you about the space chase-- but I was mainly speaking to the majority of angry nerds angry that Luke wasn't a God :)

 

So I know the likelihood of anyone sharing my opinion on this is remote...anywhere, but to me RJ wrote the most interesting version of Luke we've ever had. He was always the most boring character for me throughout the whole franchise, even before the ST's AND prequels. I've said it before it before in another thread, but I love the way that RJ portrayed the character not only after what JJ had left him, but as well as what we had learnt from the prequels.

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Empire also has a scene where they go out onto an asteroid which has no atmosphere, in just oxygen masks but no space suits and this asteroid evidently has enough gravity where they are planted onto the asteroids surface. LOL

To be fair they were in the belly of a space worm.
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Empire also has a scene where they go out onto an asteroid which has no atmosphere, in just oxygen masks but no space suits and this asteroid evidently has enough gravity where they are planted onto the asteroids surface. LOL

To be fair they were in the belly of a space worm.

 

OMG CHOC DO U EVEN STAR WAR

 

No lie, whenever I hear people talking about "gut biotics" I think of the space worm and his complicated disgestive system and how there's oxygen and mynocks and who knows what else.

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