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If you lighten the images of the SD's you'll see they all have giant cannons in the undersides.

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If you lighten the images of the SD's you'll see they all have giant cannons in the undersides.

I wonder if the Empire\First Order has finally wised up and instead of making a Death Star, mounted super lasers on their Star Destroyers.  There is a preview scene where a laser blast looks like it is laying some hurt on some planet.

 

If so, it only took them 50 years to figure that out!



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If Death Star (planet obliterating) weapons can be installed onto a starship... how fan fiction does that feel? lol That feels like it should remove anything that was special about the ultimate weapon thing, the massive size and implications of how much energy it needs. The artificial construct of the Empire was the size of a moon, the First Order version was a cyborged-planet. Then now its like just on a ship? Eh.

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If Death Star (planet obliterating) weapons can be installed onto a starship... how fan fiction does that feel? lol That feels like it should remove anything that was special about the ultimate weapon thing, the massive size and implications of how much energy it needs. The artificial construct of the Empire was the size of a moon, the First Order version was a cyborged-planet. Then now its like just on a ship? Eh.

Rather than getting bigger, maybe the First Order's superweapon should've gone smaller from the start. Like how our cell phones now have more power than the first computer in the 50's that was the size of a room. 



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If Death Star (planet obliterating) weapons can be installed onto a starship... how fan fiction does that feel? lol That feels like it should remove anything that was special about the ultimate weapon thing, the massive size and implications of how much energy it needs. The artificial construct of the Empire was the size of a moon, the First Order version was a cyborged-planet. Then now its like just on a ship? Eh.

The EU had an Xwing size ship that could blow up stars. EU Games like KOTOR had the Sith Empire hiding in unknown regions to build up their armada.  Then there is the Thrawn Katana fleet.  then you had the Emperor coming back in Dark Empire/Dark Empire II. Fan fic either had all that, or built on all that.  So, mounting super lasers on Star Destroyers feels either fan fic or EU, take your pick.  But the ST has borrowed heavily from EU anyway, so not surprising they might do that, too. 

 

Besides that is just me guessing/speculating above, so not sure it that is even the case. 



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*huffs on inhaler and nods*

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Take that, EU haters!  :lol:


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Now I remember why I stopped reading books.


... Star Wars books anyway.


Oh who am I kidding? I got four kids, three still at home. The last book I read was like twenty pages and was about dinosaurs wearing bow ties or some such thing.
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I'm glad the kids are still giving you time to pursue your own reading interests.
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On the fleet

 

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I see what you did there.

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It's funny, when I first became convinced there would be a planet destroying super weapon in TFA I really didn't like it. It was one of the few things I didn't like even after seeing the movie. Then when I saw it as a possibility for this movie I was even more disappointed. However after rolling it around in my mind I've discovered it doesn't matter at all.

 

Star Wars in alot of ways is essentially 3 different plots repeating themselves again and again. Why does it matter if there is another super weapon? Why does it matter if that one thing is repeated when so much else already is?

 

The three plots are

 

1-A character is being held prisoner and needs to be rescued. Every single Episode has a good guy being held captive by the bad guys. Every single one. In some cases it is the driving force behind the entire plot like in ANH. In others its a way to start out the movie like n ROTS, ROTJ or TPM. Still other times its a device to sort of bring all the characters to a certain point near the climax like in AOTC, ESB, TFA. In all 8 movies there are characters being held prisoner in 7 of the 8 they need to be rescued by their friends or allies. This happens over and over again.

 

2-The bad guys are dominant and the good guys just are trying to flee. Like with #1 this can be the driving force behind the whole or much of the movie like in ESB and TLJ. It happens though to at least some extent in TPM, ANH, TFA as well. Not quite as prevelant as #1 but it happens over and over again too.

 

3-The bad guys have some sort of weapon or ship that needs to be taken out. Obviously this plays a major role in the climax of TPM, ANH, ROTJ, TFA. It plays an important role in the opening sequence of TLJ when they take out the Dreadnaught. It happens again and again. Here is the thing though, once youve already had 3 of those weapons have this crazy power to blow up a planet it becomes awfully hard to scale back those consequences. Hard ot be like "this is the climax of the story but the thing we need to blow up isn't nearly as scary as the last 3 things we blew up.

 

I can even apply this in other ways. At first I hated the idea of the Emperor coming back but now it doesn't bother me. There is going to be some super powerful bad guy with a powerful military who needs to be dealt with. It doesn't matter in alot of ways if its Snoke or Kylo or the Emperor. I don't really care if there is a great explanation for the Emperor's return. Just like I don't care if someone is prisoner and needs to be rescued again, if the good guys are chased across the galaxy or if they have to blow up another super weapon.

 

What does matter is if that rescue attempt, escape from danger, attack on the super weapon, battle with the evil leader is fun, exciting, tense. In short if it is good. Mix that in with some  decent "this is your destiny, blah blah blah" and you have a great Star Wars movie. 



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Just showed the new teaser to my three youngest. The movie is being made for them, and those like them. I will admit that seeing their immediate reaction to everything, the Dark Side, the switchblade, humbled my heart quite a bit. I got misty. Maybe my inner child has become too quiet, or my adult self at least in regards to Star Wars has become too jaded.

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That was one of the main arguments used to defend the PT.
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Yep. Totally.

My oldest (hes 21 years old now) loved the PT as a kid, now though, hes as jaded about it as the majority of us. I know theyre not good, and as we all get older we tend to look at our childhood stuff and think what the hell were we thinking, but at the same time I have wondered if my reaction to them took some magic away from them for him. I do my best to pull back on my inner critic when my younger ones are around now because of that. Especially my daughter who adores Rey.
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It is definitely a fall back argument in a lot of cases and I don't think it necessarily means it's something that voids criticism but it's true, it is aimed at a young adult/generation. Lucas did say that a lot during the prequels but I don't see it being one of his retrospective points to the saga - he said the same thing a lot during the making of the originals. But in saying that, it being aimed at that crowd isn't for pure reasons. It's a lot easier to sell movie merchandise when the kids who watch your films hassle their parents for the toys. 



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Just showed the new teaser to my three youngest. The movie is being made for them, and those like them. I will admit that seeing their immediate reaction to everything, the Dark Side, the switchblade, humbled my heart quite a bit. I got misty. Maybe my inner child has become too quiet, or my adult self at least in regards to Star Wars has become too jaded.

But are you Mara jaded?


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I am no ones Right Hand.



Maybe their left tho.

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Nightly is generally a safe place but I'd be careful about reading "theories" elsewhere from this point forward. Lots of plot floating around. Not quite as much as TFA just yet, but I'm sure its coming.


I just read a full plot synopsis "leak" on instagram. Have no idea about it's legitimacy but it isn't the worst thing I've read by a long chalk.

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Obviously in the PT days I would take any spoiler I could get. I think my daily internet rituals started with checking for Star Wars news.

I was 50/50 with TFA, super into it, but somewhere along the way I fell off. I wasn't spoiler free for TLJ, but I had only read a few things here and there. I thought it might help me like the movie more, but I don't know that it did.

At this stage of TRS I don't know anything plot related. I know location and character stuff, but all I know about the story is the rumor it's a bit of a scavenger hunt, and the (what I assume to be bunk) time travel rumor (which I maintain if true will all be force visions).

I think that now that I work in film I see enough of how the sausage is made with any movie that I'm more inclined to be spoiler free.

I'm not rabid about it, I'm not unfriending people who post rumors or not reading everything here-- but I'm not digging for it either

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Good post there Tank.  Totally relate to that.

 

I was modestly spoiled on TFA, but it definitely isn't like the PT days, when I was actively hunting for spoilers, and it was fun to see what came true and what didn't.  Now, it seems whenever any blockbuster movie is made, there is a ton of BS spoilers out there prior to its release, so it's hard to know what is real, anyway.   We had fake spoilers in the PT era, too, but I think it is way worse now, because you get more of an echo chamber effect with false spoilers being spread everywhere by people who somehow make $$$ off writing or talking about spoilers on youtube, AND I think fandom is in fact a lot more toxic.  There are people out there actively rooting for TROS to fail, which is lame.   I read a few spoilers for TLJ before it was released, but a lot of what I read turned out to be flat wrong. I haven't really bothered seeking out spoilers for TROS, beyond what I read on nightly and the previews.

 

It's not that I don't want to see TROS, because I do, but I don't have the interest to look up Star Wars spoilers as much as I used to, either.  I have to say I really just don't care as much about the ST anymore, now that the hype of the new trailer and the summer news has  worn off  for me.   I'm just sort of expecting the worst and hoping for the best at this point.   TLJ really broke the ST (speaking only for me), and I am not totally convinced the ST is salvageable, the Emperor notwithstanding.  When I saw Dark Rey with her switchblade light saber, I seriously LOLed.  That scene followed right after I started getting good vibes about TROS (I loved the fleet of Star Destroyers).  I definitely will see TROS because I need to see how the ST ends, but my expectations are so low now that JJ Abrams REALLY has to screw it all up royally for me to be upset like I was with TLJ.  Also,  I am afraid to look up spoilers because I fear that if I do, and they turn out to be as dumb as the Dark Rey moment, and worse, and they turn out to be true, I may not even go see TROS in the theater.

 

So, I am trying to be more or less spoiler free, aside from a few basic plot details, which I think we have about as much as we can have at this point,without ruining the movie.  I don't like being completely in the dark, but I am trying to not spoil myself like I used to. 



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I stayed spoiler free, at least to a large part, for most of the movies except TFA, back when we were trying to run a spoiler site to get traffic here. But I have very little interest in watching this one, so I'm actually more likely to read spoilers and rumors.

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Spoilers do not bother me, as its not as if I am chewing fingernails with nervous excitement about any of the so-called "event" films that are on the schedule. Most are predictable beyond belief, and although I have not browsed any ROS spoilers, I'm betting my own casual theories lean closer to what will be in the film (same thing happened with Endgame) than not.

 

At this point, my only "concern" is whether Finn remains a marginalized token for the entire ST, or will they do something with him before the end credits (something that builds on what was once his reason to be from TFA).


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