Darth Krawlie Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Welp. There won't be another Spider-Man MCU film. Sony and Disney couldn't reach a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 I'm very hesitant to believe this news. I believe they haven't been able to work a deal, but there's a huge difference between that and never working one out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Also, I want to split this off since Spider-Man was never supposed to be part of phase four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted August 20, 2019 Author Share Posted August 20, 2019 Feige leaving the table (if that's really how it happened) might be a way to put public pressure on Sony when the general online nerd outrage gets poured all over them. And this isn't the first time they've stopped talking only to make a deal later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Later reports claim Sony sources are saying it's mainly over credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jedigoat Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 GOOD. We don't need Nick Fury asking Peter to step up every ten minutes. The last one felt close to shoehorning characters into the story just because Marvel Universe. Sam Jackson was asleep at the wheel for this film anyway. Pointless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zambingo Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I kinda wish Marvel had killed Peter in Endgame instead of Tony. Like a last minute Spock moment in Khan. We all see Tony is gonna do it and then THWIP web shooter, gauntlet is on Spidey and snap. Then Sony could have rebooted or done Miles and Marvel could have ignored it until a solid deal was done or Disney just buckled down and reacquired the rights in full. Of course... that would have needed to have been prior to Far From Home getting a script (considering its post-Endgame). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I'm glad Tony died. It finally moves the MCU forward, instead of just being Iron Man and Friends. Plus I'll finally get Sherlock Holmes 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Feige leaving the table (if that's really how it happened) might be a way to put public pressure on Sony when the general online nerd outrage gets poured all over them. And this isn't the first time they've stopped talking only to make a deal later.This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Wader Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Part of me is really enjoying the outcry from the Marvel/Reddit fan base. . . One actually said “f**k sony, why can’t we have nice things?!” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Ray Kenobi Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I'm on the train of thought with Disney just playing hardball and weaponizing public outrage.Sony built up a lot of goodwill with Spider-verse, but backwards engineering a new offbrand MCU out of Venom isn't going to fool anyone. No way a deal doesn't eventually happen. *IF* a deal doesn't get done, I wonder if Marvel and Disney would technically have the rights to the Miles version of Spidey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 It seems like everyone except fanboys on Reddit agrees that Sony owns the rights to Miles. At the very least they own Spider-Man, and the only way Miles works is making him Spider-Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Ray Kenobi Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I'd be curious to know the specifics of how that would work. It could be theoretically argued that Miles is a Spider-man, not the Spider-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tank Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The opposite. Sony makes stand alone Spider-Man movies, no MCU cameos. And the MCU has no Spider-Man. But it's all BS. They'll figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted August 21, 2019 Author Share Posted August 21, 2019 I hope so! At least this is the only property Marvel doesn't have control over now. Well, sort of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Disney is probably going to gross about 11 Billion or so this year when its all said and done. They still have Frozen 2 and Star Wars in their pocket later this year. And they want 50/50 money split for all Sony Spidey films going forward? Get out of here. I dont disagree that it was better for the Spider-Man films to have the MCU blessing, but I certainly dont think its fair for Disney to demand such a ridiculous cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Sony sources say it’s about producing credits. Feige allegedly helped with Venom but didn't get any credit for it, so who knows. Spider-Man with Tom Holland is going to make a lot of money without Samuel L Jackson showing up. Venom made $855 million without a connection to the MCU, Far From Home made $970 million. That's a ton of money, but Spider-Man is a much bigger draw. Sony has very little to lose by walking away. Marvel is going to make a ton of money either way, but they need to figure out who can step up and be the next Iron Man and Captain America in terms of carrying the franchise. Spider-Man is an easy call for that, especially as he ages. Put a couple of years between Far From Home and Spider-Man: Home Alone, and you can have a more mature, leading hero. Doesn't have to be that way, but I think Marvel loses more than Sony if they don't work out a deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-Ray Kenobi Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Disney is probably going to gross about 11 Billion or so this year when its all said and done. They still have Frozen 2 and Star Wars in their pocket later this year. And they want 50/50 money split for all Sony Spidey films going forward? Get out of here. I dont disagree that it was better for the Spider-Man films to have the MCU blessing, but I certainly dont think its fair for Disney to demand such a ridiculous cut.I don't disagree that Disney is bordering on monopoly territory, but I do disagree with the idea that they weren't due a bigger cut. If I were the head chef of a restaurant working on making a profitable dish that everyone loved, I'd certainly want more than a dime for every dollar made too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tank Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Jodie Foster? I think that if they keep the writers and Tom Holland, Sony can make a couple stand alone Spider-films, and it wouldn't be a bad thing if the MCU as a whole isn't reflected. It doesn't have to be NOT the MCU, just not overtly the MCU. Then down the road when they get to another Avengers movie they can get it together and have him back in and it won';t seem like anything is out of place so long as Sony doesn't do anything irreparable to the mythos. The only thing I'd miss is Happy and May, which I thought was really cute and funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 As long as they don't screw it up, I would love to see a real Spider-Man solo movie. No adult heroes leading the way, but a story where it's all about Peter. I haven't seen Far From Home yet, but that wasy initial thought when seeing Fury was in it. Just let Spider-Man be Spider-Man on his own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Disney is probably going to gross about 11 Billion or so this year when its all said and done. They still have Frozen 2 and Star Wars in their pocket later this year. And they want 50/50 money split for all Sony Spidey films going forward? Get out of here. I dont disagree that it was better for the Spider-Man films to have the MCU blessing, but I certainly dont think its fair for Disney to demand such a ridiculous cut. I don't disagree that Disney is bordering on monopoly territory, but I do disagree with the idea that they weren't due a bigger cut.If I were the head chef of a restaurant working on making a profitable dish that everyone loved, I'd certainly want more than a dime for every dollar made too.Completely agree they deserve a bigger cut, but 50/50 is absolutely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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