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Epstein found dead, possible suicide


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https://www.cnn.com/...eath/index.html

 

Apparent suicide. 

 

 



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"suicide"


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From a guy who was supposed to be on suicide watch in a place with some of the best trained guards in the country, and right after allegations about powerful men being involved hit the news.

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Yep. R's and D's alike, too.



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R's and D's and royalty. I'm always hesitant with any type of conspiracy theory, but for a guy who reportedly just attempted suicide to be free to do it again so soon implies an insane level of incompetence at the very least.
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Ex-Governors. Princes, Captains of Industry.   Probably half of Congress and Hollywood. Maybe even a US President or two.

 

Suicide is pretty convenient in this case. Yeah, it's all very Godfather II, isn't it?


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https://beta.washing...?outputType=amp

This is pretty good info.
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I'd have to say someone let him commit suicide, after reading that.  In an age where you can have a cam (cams are cheap!) in every cell to monitor every prisoner 24/7/365, kind of hard not to come to a conclusion of pure incompetence.  Not to say that there isn't plenty of incompetence to go around.  But I have to wonder what poor, unknowing fool will end up taking the fall.

 

As for being straight up murdered, eh, easier to allow suicide to happen, especially if someone wants to do it.  All you need is a bed sheet and a doorknob, or some other device to dangle from.



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Unless there's video of him committing suicide, I'm always going to question whether it was suicide.  If there is video, I'm going to question what type of corruption allowed it.  Simple belief that the guy should die for his crimes? Bribing someone to allow it to happen? Someone else intervening to ensure it happened?



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Yeah, this is very... well, Russian in its feel.
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Unless there's video of him committing suicide, I'm always going to question whether it was suicide.  If there is video, I'm going to question what type of corruption allowed it.  Simple belief that the guy should die for his crimes? Bribing someone to allow it to happen? Someone else intervening to ensure it happened?

Well as I see it, I don't think we will see a video because if there were one, the first question will be is "If you were recording the suicide, why didn't you send a guard to stop it?" 

 

Prison guards are bought all the time.  I am sure there is some high level corruption going on here.  Who it was and who they were protecting is the question!

 

 

Yeah, this is very... well, Russian in its feel.

It certainly does, but it isn't necessarily Trump, too.  Even if someone was protecting Trump, there are neophytes out there that will ruin their own lives to protect the presidency.  But the thing is,  the list that came out yesterday is probably only the tip of the iceberg.   When you have royalty, ex governors, probably all kinds of senators or representatives, maybe even Clinton, this is seriously like playing the game Clue!  Washington is a snake pit, and a LOT of people could be suspects.  Hell a lot of people may be in on it.  


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Jesus I didnt even see the list til just now. What a stupid ****ing world we live in.
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While the conspiracy angle is fascinating, Hollywood film even... my Pops was a prison guard for like twenty-years and (although he certainly was never supervising someone of Epsteins level, although maybe I dunno... does a serial killer like the Butcher Baker count? Probably not I guess. Anyway...) suicides do happen. When someone wants to go they find a way to do it. I am not at all saying there cannot possibly be an actual conspiracy, or even fault, just at the same time the premise that this cannot happen without corruption is likely a false assumption.

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This stinks of a hit if you ask me.

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I think he was trying again to get to his penthouse arrest but was actually successful in t committing suicide because for some reason the 30 minute check hadn't happened to actually stop it before it came to fruition. I am not a conspiracy theory person. 



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Well, what was his life going to be like, anyway?  Epstein, if convicted, would not have gone to Club Fed.  He would have been in actual prison, surrounded by criminals who knew he was a millionaire child molester, pimp, and rapist.  I think he took the easy way out.  But, I also think someone didn't make a "mistake," either.  Someone high up made sure Epstein had the means and opportunity to off himself.



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Yeah this guy was going to be convicted and his life was going to be hell, if someone didn't shank him in prison. Its not too far of a reach that he would kill himself. All his rich buddies sure weren't going to come to his rescue.

I can see someone giving him the opportunity, though. But not sure this has to be a conspiracy theory. Hopefully Barr continues to dig in.

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Yeah, this is very... well, Russian in its feel.

No.

 

...but recently, MSNBC's resident "I will say any dumbass thing" pundit Joe Scarborough said the same thing. Of course, he--and his "network's" meaning--was aimed at Trump, because they are still soaking the diapers over 2016.

 

It also shows a remarkable ignorance of American history, if he thinks suspicious deaths are not the stock and trade of this nation, from the streets, to every level of law enforcement.



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Suicide in prison and jail is a problem, due to a combination of different issues. Mental illness, overcrowding, underfunding, and a societal belief that prisoners should be treated as subhuman to reduce recividism. I have no doubt that Epstein was experiencing at least a few of these issues. Having said that, he also died the day after news broke listing other wealthy, powerful men as potential rapists as well, and each of these men had reason to want Epstein silenced, and there could be more that are out there.

It's also possible that the people named are all innocent, and Epstein was the only one involved. Whether that's true or not, it's also likely that it was suicide.

Having said that, everything about this whole deal is suspicious - from the original plea deal to today. I don't trust anything about this situation. I'm not saying that I think I buy into any specific conspiracy theory, just that it's all suspicious.



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