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I would have sworn it was her that teleports, but maybe not. I guess Ill have to rewatch the trailer.

Edit in: I do think it is her, but the quick cut makes it difficult to tell. Watching the moment back a few times I am not sure she is teleporting whether like a Borg or something like a Traveler, because a sound similar to a Starfleet transporter plays as she vanishes.


Totally not her. Falling person has a helmet.
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Yeah. Youre totally right. I just watched it on my TV instead of my phone and was able to see that as well. Good catch.

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My first thought (hope?) seeing the girl was that she's Lal.


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Thatd be great.

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It would...

But she's bleeding human blood on her head.

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I would have sworn it was her that teleports, but maybe not. I guess Ill have to rewatch the trailer.

Edit in: I do think it is her, but the quick cut makes it difficult to tell. Watching the moment back a few times I am not sure she is teleporting whether like a Borg or something like a Traveler, because a sound similar to a Starfleet transporter plays as she vanishes.


Totally not her. Falling person has a helmet.

 

My guess is the attackers might be Section 31. 

 

 

My first thought (hope?) seeing the girl was that she's Lal.

My thought was either X23 or River Tam.  :)

 

But seriously, I think she is either a Borg, or a Borg/human hybrid. That would explain her feeling safe with Picard.  



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It's been almost 18 years since Nemesis and the Picard trailer.  By comparison:

 

  • TOS series and films: TOS debuted in 1966 and the last TOS film was 1991 (25 years)
  • The time between TNG's last episode in 1994 and Picard being announced in 2019 (25 years)
  • The run of TNG and TNG films:  TNG debuted in 1987 and Nemesis was released in 2002 (15 years)
  • The runs between TNG debuting in 1987 and DS9 ending in 1999 (12 years)
  • The two Star Trek shows released after TNG: Voyager debuted in 1995 and the last Enterprise episode was 2005 (10 years)
  • TOS break:  TOS ended in 1969 and TMP was released in 1979 (10 years, but less if you count TAS)

And, not Star Trek, but I think it is interesting that ROTJ was released in 1983 and TMP was released in 1999 (16 years), so the time between Nemesis and Picard is longer.  



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I'm not sure if they'd use Section 31. They were basically the villains of S2 of Discovery and are getting their own show lead by Michelle Yoeh.

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Maybe the biomechanical lubricant for this Lal-type was altered to bring it closer to Datas Pinocchio goal. Maybe Datas new Lal-type is so perfect (that should be in quotes but this mobile version of Nightly for me is weird anyway) that the Borg are then intrigued by her.

Or... Or...

Maybe she is Riker and Trois daughter with amnesia and prior to that she was some super spy for Starfleet who uncovered a dastardly and foolhardy plot to use Borg tech and that then sets Picard and her off on the mission to stop it all.

Or... Or... :-)

I love this stage of the geek cycle.
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I'm not sure if they'd use Section 31. They were basically the villains of S2 of Discovery and are getting their own show lead by Michelle Yoeh.

Maybe not, like you say.  However, Section 31 was also used in STID, Enterprise, and DS9.  If they want Picard to go off on his own because he can't trust Starfleet, it would make sense to use Section 31 as a reason.  Not that I hope they use Section 31, because I don't like Section 31, but they would be the organization who would want to get their hands on (and would be arrogant enough to) Borg tech to reverse engineer it.  

 

Then again, they could just as easily be Romulans.  



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Not speculating. Just waiting. HAHAHA!



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I don't know how reliable i09 is these days, but apparently the young woman seen in the preview is named Dahj, played by Isa Briones. 

https://io9.gizmodo....-the-1836608419



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io9is trash, but reliable.

 

I'm more excited that he calls his dog Number One!

 

That breakdown is actually pretty great, and I'm inclined to buy most of it, just based on stopping at looking at the details.


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So we have a potentially amnesiac character named Dahj and a story that seemingly involves the past catching up to people and what that means for the future. Haha. Deja Vu.

And if Picard does call his dog Number One then that is neat. I joked about that on Facebook the moment the poster was revealed. Probably low hanging fruit tho.

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If Hugh is involved, it makes me wonder if Lore will make an appearance.  I think the android in the drawer has been confirmed as B4, and it is confirmed that it is Data (or dream Data) at the end of the preview.  But we never did see Lore actually die in Descent part 2.  Lore was presumably dismantled, but never heard from again.  Aside from Data using the emotion chip in the TNG movies, there is no further connection to Lore after Descent. 

 

But what if B4 is either revealed to actually be Lore and was dumbed down after the emotion chip was removed, or that Lore was also stolen by the Romulans (Remans)?  I always thought it was weird in Nemesis that B4 just appeared out of nowhere, having been conveniently left on the planet in pieces for the Enterprise to find by the Romulans (or was it Remans, technically?). 



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So we have a potentially amnesiac character named Dahj and a story that seemingly involves the past catching up to people and what that means for the future. Haha. Deja Vu.

And if Picard does call his dog Number One then that is neat. I joked about that on Facebook the moment the poster was revealed. Probably low hanging fruit tho.

More like Dahj a Vu.  LOL!

 

I also like that the dog is named Number One. 


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Some of the theories in the comments of that page combined with the breakdown offers up one concept that I kinda like and seems to fit--

 

Romulans are reverse engineering Borg stuff to find a way to become a true power again after losing their home world. We see warbirds around the Borg cube, and a couple shots of Borg's on operating tables with implants being removed. Between Picard, Hugh, and Seven, we know assimilation can be reversed if the doctors have the time and resources to do it.

 

The Romulan prison is potentially where post-Borg drones are being held. Given a few errant lines, they have no idea who they are now, before they Borg, or being a Borg (unclear). Dahj is among them, and clearly considered special.

 

At the end of Voyager, Janeway "erased" the Borg Queen, who we know could transmit herself into different host bodies. (They retconned her to being aboard the cube in Best of Both Worlds, and despite being nuked in FC, she showed up in Voyager (played by a new actress, and in the finale, as the original actress).

 

So the theory is, Dahj potentially has the code/memories/nanites/whatevers to be the next Borg Queen, and the Romulans need her to assume control of all the Borg tech their messing with. For whatever reason, she escapes and comes to Picard for help.


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Yeah, I think Dahj is a former Borg, personally.  Or maybe an augmented human(oid) with Borg tech. 

 

I've done a 180 on this show, since my initial reaction. I am actually getting excited for this. 

 

Really, this is EVERYTHING I have been asking for since we learned Nemesis was the last TNG movie, after it bombed at the box office.  Leaving Nemesis hanging really felt like if they never made Star Trek 3, after TWOK and it left us on a cliff hanger.  I love the Borg, and I love the Romulans.  For years, I have said I would love to see a post Nemesis series, movie, or miniseries with returning 24th century Trek characters (doesn't have to be all of them, just the ones who really want to do it), from TNG\DS9\VOY, who want to reprise their roles.  It also has updated cinematography and FX, like modern Trek movies and Discovery (one of the great things about both, really). 

 

I don't necessarily want a reunion show, but it would be nice to see additional TNG\DS9\Voy characters make cameos  every now and then (especially if this show gets 2 or 3 seasons), and update us on where some of these characters are at, now (as long as they make sense to the plot, and not overly fan wanky....though I am OK with fan wank, too, when it comes to Star Trek). 


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https://www.pronounc.../pronounce/dahj
^thats exactly why I made the Deja Vu joke, El. :-)

It might not be pronounced that way in the series, but anyway.
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I'm really excited for this.  This show had me at Picard, but Seven of Nine and Data too!  I never thought I'd see any of these characters on screen again.  I keep watching this trailer over and over and over...

 

A couple of questions...

 

1)  Its been ages sense I last saw "All Good Things," but shouldn't Picard have dementia?  Wasn't his future self in the TNG final suffering from it?  

 

2)  If this series is set after the destruction of Romulus, then it establishes that the prime timeline continued to exist alongside the Kelvin one.  Nero's meddling with the past in Star Trek 2009 in no way changed or erased any of the Trek that we knew.  It only created a separate timeline.  Why then, in practically every other Star Trek story involving time travel, was preserving the past exactly as it happened such a priority?  


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I'm really excited for this.  This show had me at Picard, but Seven of Nine and Data too!  I never thought I'd see any of these characters on screen again.  I keep watching this trailer over and over and over...

 

A couple of questions...

 

1)  Its been ages sense I last saw "All Good Things," but shouldn't Picard have dementia?  Wasn't his future self in the TNG final suffering from it?  

 

2)  If this series is set after the destruction of Romulus, then it establishes that the prime timeline continued to exist alongside the Kelvin one.  Nero's meddling with the past in Star Trek 2009 in no way changed or erased any of the Trek that we knew.  It only created a separate timeline.  Why then, in practically every other Star Trek story involving time travel, was preserving the past exactly as it happened such a priority?  

1. In AGT, they also have a throw away line that the future won't unfold that way, now that they know what is to come.  It can be assumed he received treatment to slow the advancement to a crawl or cured it outright.  But who knows, maybe they will go Logan on that, and Picard is slowly losing his mind.  I hope they don't go there, though.

 

2.  In Star Trek 2009, they breifly describe they are in an alternate timeline that branched off from the original.  It definitely isn't Back to the Future time travel rules.   Hell, not even Star Trek IV or Star Trek First Contact rules.  Real answer: you are right because it doesn't follow previously established rules. But the loophole there is the Parallels TNG 7th season episode that establishes multiple timelines/alternate dimensions can coexist in a greater multiverse. 



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Regarding #2: Its best not to think about it.

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I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

Picard is really really old. Data looks and sounds terrible. My two favorite characters. This pains me.
Seven of Nine looks great, and she’s probably in this to counter-balance Picard and Data. Reduce the depression-factor.

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There is nothing depressing about getting old.

Even so, Patrick Stewart doesn't seem that frail to me, his voice is just a little croakier. And he is deffo no spring chicken anymore. But.. I always like stories about a grizzled old vet coming out of retirement cause only they can get the job done. I'll be watching this for sure.
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There is nothing depressing about getting old.

Even so, Patrick Stewart doesn't seem that frail to me, his voice is just a little croakier. And he is deffo no spring chicken anymore. But.. I always like stories about a grizzled old vet coming out of retirement cause only they can get the job done. I'll be watching this for sure.

 

I mean he wasn't as old as Stewart is in this, but this was pretty much one of the core themes of Wrath of Khan. 


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