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Happy Birthday, The Phantom Menace!


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#26
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Still possibly the most exciting lightsabre duel. Largely thanks to the soundtrack.
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Without TPM to rip off, Black Panther would've had a completely different ending.



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I highly recommend the novelizations of the prequel trilogy. As opposed to the original Trilogy novelizations, which were rather lackluster, the prequel books add quite a bit of depth and insight (the complete converse to the films themselves, where it is the other way around). I especially love Matthew Stover's novelization of Revenge of the Sith, one of my favorite EU books. Indeed, he is my favorite EU author, though his involvement in it was sadly limited. I love his philosophical musings, especially his existentialism.



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Oh man, the ROTS book is probably one of the only SW books I hate more than the Thrawn trilogy. His internal characterization of Anakin/Vader was abhorrent to me.

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It wasn't any worse than what was on screen!

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Eh, to each his own, I guess. Stover had an influence on my own writing early on.



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This was the first place I read negative reviews of TPM, and it was the moment the internet and fan-culture changed for me. Up until then everything was either brilliant and worth discussing, or you simply didn't bother. TPM was the first time I saw obsession over negative things that would just compound further rage, which has reached new levels today.

 
I was a long time defender but over time the 'minor' flaws I was willing to accept when compared to the overall fun time I had, became gaping wounds. I now see that both sides of the argument ("They're movies for kids, shut up" vs "Lucas killed my childhood") have valid points, but miss the mark in other points.
 
In retrospect, the prequels had great ideas but needed some genuine outsiders to fine tune the ideas into a better final product more suited to audiences of the time.
 
That said, happy birthday Phantom Menace, and nightly.net!

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TPM is probably my least favorite PT film, but I still have some nostalgia for it.  I often wonder if TPM, and the PT overall for that matter, had better editing, and maybe some minor re shoots of select scenes, if it would have turned out much better.   Fan edits for example, sort of make that case.  Also, as the film stands, I love the Coruscant and Theed scenes in particular. Duel of the Fates is hands down the best duel of the PT, and arguably one of the best Star Wars duels, ever, though I love TESB the most. TPM (and PT overall) had great concepts, world building ideas, fleshed out the jedi order, and showed us jedis at the height of the Republic. I think TPM has a really awesome movie in there somewhere, if Lucas had not tried to wear so many hats.  Still, I would watch TPM any time over TLJ.  Not because its necessarily that much of a better movie, but it has that nostalgia factor and the characters are more likable to me.  With the ST, TLJ especially, I will never have  the nostalgia feel I have for the OT and PT.  Oddly though, I already have nostalgia for Rogue One.



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Editing can't save poor writing. The one fixall solution would be if Lucas did what he did for ESB and ROTJ-- shepard the basic story, oversee production, run the edits, but hire better qualified writers and directors.

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Editing can't save poor writing. The one fixall solution would be if Lucas did what he did for ESB and ROTJ-- shepard the basic story, oversee production, run the edits, but hire better qualified writers and directors.

I agree.  Like I said, GL wore too many hats.  He should have took a step back and let the specialists in each field do their thing.



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If I recall right, GL realized he had on too many hats and asked some people to help. Most notably Spielberg, but Spielberg told him that the story was so personal to GL that he should do it. Although even if I do recall right, I could be recalling something that was fictional. lol As is the case with lots of Prequel era information.

Oh man, the ROTS book is probably one of the only SW books I hate more than the Thrawn trilogy. His internal characterization of Anakin/Vader was abhorrent to me.


That you read the book, not that you read of course, is a surprise for me. I thought those prequel days were when EU stuff turned bitter tasting, but then... maybe that was the moment.
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The EU that spawned from the prequels was more than just the books surrounding that era. The Republic comics were incredible, but the prequels also gave birth to things like the KOTOR video game, set in an era far removed but still clearly sparked by the prequels. Some of the books of that era weren't that great, but remember that the EU is more than just books and more than just one era. The other stuff that came about were truly classics.



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I know, I meant specifically for Tank. I also soured on it around that time, well, novel wise anyway. I did enjoy KOTOR, but mostly, I think, because it was the only thing at the time that recaptured how I felt watching the original films for the first time.

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I read it because I was a spoiler junkie and got an advance copy ahead of the release.
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