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I almost feel sorry for you Democrats


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The error in thinking the other way is that you can look at modern civil wars in dictatorships and assume the same thing can happen in a Western democracy.  

 

I mean, heck, people are gang-raping women on buses in India, so that's definitely going to happen in New York any second now.  

I've seen some **** that makes me think our western civility is not as iron clad as we think. You might be surprised at just how animal we can be, even in New York, London or where ever.



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The error in thinking the other way is that you can look at modern civil wars in dictatorships and assume the same thing can happen in a Western democracy.  

 

I mean, heck, people are gang-raping women on buses in India, so that's definitely going to happen in New York any second now.  

You say that, but there was a time people would have said there is no way a fat, repugnant TV personality with zero political experience could be come president but here we are. Assuming that things can't happen in our western democracies is at best hubris, at worse outright neglegence. People would never have thought Anders Breivik atrocity in Norway possible until it happened. No one would have ever thought a massacre would happen in beautiful, multicultural, home of the elves and hobbits, New Zealand until it happened. Our civility is a sham, but there is just enough of a veil to make us think we're all good people living in a good wholesome society.


Edited by Odine, 15 April 2019 - 12:04 PM.


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Seeing as how public transportation is a common place for sexual assaults to happen pretty much anywhere, there probably have been women gang-raped on busses in New York.
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The only way a civil war COULD possibly happen, would be if a large portion of the military split off and managed to take a lot of weaponry with them.  And since said war wouldn't be geographical but rather ideological, the chance of that happening would be almost zero.  We've already seen politics turn into violence, and it hasn't crossed over into the mainstream, which would be the other requirement for an actual civil war.  It wouldn't have to be everyone, but a large enough cross-section to make it work.


My dad is a huge conspiracy theory nut, always has been. He claims he follows them for the lulz, but he also uses InfoWars toothpaste and InfoWars Iodine to protect against... whatever. Anyway, he told me about this, and he claims there is some secret movement in the military to take over the government from the inside.

This was LITERALLY the day that NPR reported on black mold infestations in on-base family housing that is making military children extremely sick, but their parents dont want to make waves demanding changes for fear of retaliation from the military. So, I asked my dad, how, exactly, are these rogue active duty soldiers going to pull off a coup where they successfully take over the Government of the United States of America when they cant even pull off making the military provide safe housing for their families?

He didnt have an answer for me.


Is your dad Marc DuNesque?

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You didn't lose interest, you lost your mind. You played the stereotypical Democrat game, ignored everything I actually posted and made up a story that suited your purposes. Quote what you thought was such a negative generalization about Democrats in my OP, or surrender your base to me.

 

EDIT

 

I had a response written out about the irony of how everything you accuse me of is exactly what you do, which is the point I was trying to make. But you're so willingly obtuse, or an ***hole, that awaiting your response would just ruin my weekend.

 

You're a troll.

 

And despite posting here for 20 years, so is Justus. That's why instead of engaging Kurgan who actually gave him a lengthy response, he chose to snipe at me.

 


 

I was responding to something you posted...directed at me. That's how it works.

 

Jeeze.

 

But that's not important, since you choose to live in a world where you rail against anything not marching to your narrow world view, then cry when anyone calls you out on it. You're just the other side of all of the former Nightly members of the fringe Right I used to fight who also resorted to your kind of crap when hypocrisy was called out.



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Is your dad Marc DuNesque?

 

Doubtful, if only because it would take him a solid three hours to type out a single Marc post.



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1. The problem with these reactionary gun nut types is they're way way WAY too individualistic and eccentric to ever organize into anything other than a small band of weekend warriors. The political power required to wage a civil war requires competent leadership and an organized body of followers willing to play the role of soldier, or else be part of an organized political and economic administrative structure able to sustain a war effort over any length of time. Naturally, this entails submission to a bureaucracy and the taxation necessary to sustain it all. Do I really need to explain why this is completely at odds with the "freeman" mentality so prevalent in reactionary circles? Even were they to be able to muster some sort of citizen's militia, it lacks the equipment and training necessary to have a hope in hell against a professional fighting force of a modern day high tech nation. This is why they prefer their LARPy little militias - if they even get off of 4chan and reddit long enough to bother even with these any more - to the actual military. The army is the consummate socialist organization. It's all about command, control and discipline, as it has to be.

 

 

 

 

2. This also applies to left wing LARPers, who equally foolishly fantasize about revolution, violent seizure of worker's control over the means of production, etc. Little bands of Antifa style arts and humanities majors are going to do this in the face of professional military and militarized law enforcement? Ha ha ha! Good luck sunshine! They couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery, let alone effectively manage any scale of economic enterprise. They need professional management and they damn well know it. That's why they LARP and fight entirely with one another or their right wing counterparts and aren't really serious about it.

 

1. Its not about fighting like its Plymouth, 1864. Since the 1980s, the "gun nuts"/fringe Right have embraced the idea of fear forcing their enemies to change policy, or said enemy weakening themselves where it would be easy for the fringe Right to make sociopolitical gains (David Duke was the most significant, post 1960s model of that), not raising armies for "the big campaign."

 

Additionally, yes, they do feed into their egos with rallies, marches and internet threats, but the dual tactics of "Leaderless resistance" was embraced because they knew there was no toe-to-toe battle they could win. Terror strikes like McVeigh (Oklahoma, and why he said he committed the act) had more of an impact on domestic relations/policy than any group of shaved killers trying to take it to the streets. They are well aware of this, so through that "It could happen to you" concerns, they first inspired anger, but ended up getting moderates to agree with what was once seen only as hate speech, or treasonous behavior.

Despite the horrors of Oklahoma, I will never forget how the "yes, but" conversations fired from one end of America to the other--even in liberal circles, as McVeigh and Nichols' alleged motives--the attacks at Ruby Ridge and Waco--were not justified, but the public, courts and mainstream media ended up echoing many of their sentiments about government abuses.

 

That kind/level or response was absolutely unthinkable among the mainstream Americans of the 1950s/60s America, but in the wake of those two attacks, the fringe Right won a significant victory against the government they want to take over or take down.

 

So, while the fringe Right racists and militia groups certainly exist, and yes, they do train for their long-predicted darker days, more often than not, they ended up moving certain political needles in their direction with means other than attempting an open, mass insurrection they know would end in the blink of an eye. The most frightening outcome of that is  the post David Duke era of the fringe Right have successfully learned the American political game, and know how to tweak their play on the emotions and questions of those who would have never dreamed they had even a fragment of a shared belief with the fringe, or Alt-Right. Once they convinced more than a few moderates to say, "yes, but," they have won yet another war, particularly during election time.

 

No battlefields required for that.

 

2. Regarding the Left wing end of this, aside from the Antifas of the world trying to be some Thing-like amalgamation of the Weather Underground, SLA and Black Liberation Army, the modern fringe Left is less likely to take their rage to the streets, opting to wage war in social media through outright propaganda, fiction, and silencing dissent (where possible) than anything even on the outskirts of the once routine, extremist acts of the aforementioned groups. Like the fringe Right, they are honest enough to know how that would end.



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What if this is the FALL!? HA!



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[quote name="El Chalupacabra]"When you have data farms that gather more data per day than all of humanity's history did prior to that day?[/quote]

Forget data farms, all I have to do is cut you off from the real ones, and I know how. That's how wars are won. Starvation and disease.

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Seeing as how public transportation is a common place for sexual assaults to happen pretty much anywhere, there probably have been women gang-raped on busses in New York.

If it has happened, Google isn't aware of it. So it's possible, but it seems like it would involve everyone keeping quiet about it.



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Seeing as how public transportation is a common place for sexual assaults to happen pretty much anywhere, there probably have been women gang-raped on busses in New York.

If it has happened, Google isn't aware of it. So it's possible, but it seems like it would involve everyone keeping quiet about it.

Ahem: https://www.rainn.or...-justice-system

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I'm aware. But we're talking about a brutal group crime committed in public, and your argument is it probably happened and lack of evidence is proof. Since there's obviously nothing I can say, I'm done.

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I never said lack of evidence is proof that its definitely happened, I just said that its entirely possible it could happen anywhere in the world regardless of the ruling political power of the country, or the opinions of the people living under said power. And that its also possible that youll never hear about it thanks to the way our society works (and a brutal crime in public is no guarantee of help or notice either, see Kitty Genovese), so saying theres no articles written about it is not the most accurate way to prove a point that its never happened here.

What non-politically motivated gang rape on a bus has to do with a civil war is still beyond me, anyway.

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So when do we start mailing boxes of dildos to Marc?


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Just to be nitpicky, I said fall and not fail. The country hasn't failed (yet - Brexit is still a potential danger), but it has fallen. Michael Jordan has fallen from his prime, but he could still beat me with a blindfold and an arm tied behind his back. But he's not the greatest basketball player in the world anymore.
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Nationalism and poor understanding the consequences. Based on what Ive read, it would be unlikely to go the same way in a second referendum. But who knows? People are stupid.

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Brexit is a cluster****. It was a political gamble by David Cameron to keep a portion of his constituents happy who hated the EU. Then it got turned into a massive thing, and the Leave campaign did a bunch of illegal **** and marketed outright lies as truths while nobody actually had a PLAN what to do in case we did in fact actually have to leave. Stupidity at its finest.

Intentionally misinforming the public, and then ask them to vote on a decision the intricacies of which confuses and confounds legal professionals, with no plan or strategy in place in case the vote in fact says Britain should leave. What could go wrong?

I don't think the consequences are going to be as drastic as some doomsayers believe but the whole thing has been a colossal waste of money, time and energy. David Cameron should be lynched. But hes probably of in the Camen Islands or th south of France tanning his belly.

Edited by Odine, 18 April 2019 - 12:41 AM.

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