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I almost feel sorry for you Democrats


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#51
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I'm seriously pretty pissed off these days. I don't like Trump, and I haven't abandoned anything to defend the prick (regardless of what that jackass Tank says). Makes me mad when the jackass bastards make me defend him because of what they abandoned. Tear our country to pieces by coopting our justice system with the collusion delusion for two years and still throw ****ing stones. It won't be long before the real Patriots in this country get sick of watching the Gestapo run wild. Then it won't matter how many of them you run off the internet, there are more important fields to battle on.

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What are you on about?
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What are you on about?

Nothing remotely intelligent. Tank's right. Be smart - ignore him. 


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What are you on about?


Civil War. Like they said, ignore me while you can. We'll let you know when it's time for the English to ineffectually support the wrong side of history. Again.

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There's not going to be a civil war.  Maybe some rednecks getting shot by the police, and others spending life in prison, but they won't even need to call the National Guard on you idiots.


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I'm not saying next week. More of a long term prediction. About 6 years I think.

Because I am a free prince, and I have as much right to make war on the whole country as a political party with a dozen propaganda stations on the air and a thousand false flags on the poles- this my consciene tells me. But there is no use arguing with such sniveling puppies, who allow superiors to feed them full of **** for power. Better to be hung as a pirate than slaughtered like sheep.

See you then.

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I'm not saying next week. More of a long term prediction. About 6 years I think.

Because I am a free prince, and I have as much right to make war on the whole country as a political party with a dozen propaganda stations on the air and a thousand false flags on the poles- this my consciene tells me. But there is no use arguing with such sniveling puppies, who allow superiors to feed them full of **** for power. Better to be hung as a pirate than slaughtered like sheep.

See you then.


Good luck with all that. I'm sure you and all your NRA mates will be really effectual at instigating positive change. Be sure to drink plenty of beer and crush the cans on your forehead before going on missions, it'll make you fight better.
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Meanwhile, Tank

 

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There's not going to be a civil war.  Maybe some rednecks getting shot by the police, and others spending life in prison, but they won't even need to call the National Guard on you idiots.


This. The crank gun nuts might think that because they're the gun nuts and they're more rural and DIY in their nature, that they'll be able to "own the libtards" if it ever came down to actual civil war.

 

Please.
 

The problem with these reactionary gun nut types is they're way way WAY too individualistic and eccentric to ever organize into anything other than a small band of weekend warriors. The political power required to wage a civil war requires competent leadership and an organized body of followers willing to play the role of soldier, or else be part of an organized political and economic administrative structure able to sustain a war effort over any length of time. Naturally, this entails submission to a bureaucracy and the taxation necessary to sustain it all. Do I really need to explain why this is completely at odds with the "freeman" mentality so prevalent in reactionary circles? Even were they to be able to muster some sort of citizen's militia, it lacks the equipment and training necessary to have a hope in hell against a professional fighting force of a modern day high tech nation. This is why they prefer their LARPy little militias - if they even get off of 4chan and reddit long enough to bother even with these any more - to the actual military. The army is the consummate socialist organization. It's all about command, control and discipline, as it has to be.

 

Every individual nut with their own conspiracy theory who's answer to everything is "lol okay libtard muh Venezuela" can't be a five star general. The discipline and intelligence it takes to be even mid-range enlisted personnel, let alone an officer, never mind a competent general is beyond the ken of anyone who'd take Infowars or Rebel Media at all seriously. Intelligence is crucial to military success. People who think Obama was a communist advance agent for some sinister globalist new world order or take anti-Semetic "Cultural Marxist" conspiracy theories seriously clearly know nothing of those whom they deem their enemies.

 

This also applies to left wing LARPers, who equally foolishly fantasize about revolution, violent seizure of worker's control over the means of production, etc. Little bands of Antifa style arts and humanities majors are going to do this in the face of professional military and militarized law enforcement? Ha ha ha! Good luck sunshine! They couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery, let alone effectively manage any scale of economic enterprise. They need professional management and they damn well know it. That's why they LARP and fight entirely with one another or their right wing counterparts and aren't really serious about it.


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A decentralized military and the fact our ideological differences do not match up with geography makes insanely unlikely if not impossible.

At best there would be a coup at the highest levels of government when the join chiefs and it least two branches of our government agree to take action against the White House.

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There's not going to be a civil war.  Maybe some rednecks getting shot by the police, and others spending life in prison, but they won't even need to call the National Guard on you idiots.


This. The crank gun nuts might think that because they're the gun nuts and they're more rural and DIY in their nature, that they'll be able to "own the libtards" if it ever came down to actual civil war.
 
Please.
 
The problem with these reactionary gun nut types is they're way way WAY too individualistic and eccentric to ever organize into anything other than a small band of weekend warriors. The political power required to wage a civil war requires competent leadership and an organized body of followers willing to play the role of soldier, or else be part of an organized political and economic administrative structure able to sustain a war effort over any length of time. Naturally, this entails submission to a bureaucracy and the taxation necessary to sustain it all. Do I really need to explain why this is completely at odds with the "freeman" mentality so prevalent in reactionary circles? Even were they to be able to muster some sort of citizen's militia, it lacks the equipment and training necessary to have a hope in hell against a professional fighting force of a modern day high tech nation. This is why they prefer their LARPy little militias - if they even get off of 4chan and reddit long enough to bother even with these any more - to the actual military. The army is the consummate socialist organization. It's all about command, control and discipline, as it has to be.
 
Every individual nut with their own conspiracy theory who's answer to everything is "lol okay libtard muh Venezuela" can't be a five star general. The discipline and intelligence it takes to be even mid-range enlisted personnel, let alone an officer, never mind a competent general is beyond the ken of anyone who'd take Infowars or Rebel Media at all seriously. Intelligence is crucial to military success. People who think Obama was a communist advance agent for some sinister globalist new world order or take anti-Semetic "Cultural Marxist" conspiracy theories seriously clearly know nothing of those whom they deem their enemies.
 
This also applies to left wing LARPers, who equally foolishly fantasize about revolution, violent seizure of worker's control over the means of production, etc. Little bands of Antifa style arts and humanities majors are going to do this in the face of professional military and militarized law enforcement? Ha ha ha! Good luck sunshine! They couldn't organize a piss up in a brewery, let alone effectively manage any scale of economic enterprise. They need professional management and they damn well know it. That's why they LARP and fight entirely with one another or their right wing counterparts and aren't really serious about it.

I agree with you entirely with the caveat that nepotism probably allows for a significant amount of incompetent officers. Though not as much as the past perhaps.

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But radical nuts can be dangerous. Tim McVeigh.

 

And I am a radical liberal who does own a gun and knows gun safety. HA! But organizing into a collective enough to bring down something? Naw, that sounds like work. I think I'll just canvas my town for Beto.



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Civil War being actually possible in this day and age or not doesnt really matter if those inclined people decide to give into their Patriotic Wet Dreams. It will just take one night for the country to experience yet another worst domestic terror event in its history.

These nuts can already be seen on the internet in comments and everywhere, I have even overheard people spewing the same thoughts as they chat to each other while grocery shopping. People are relishing in the idea of heroically rising up and facing off against their formally fellow citizens who they now deem as the enemy. It is not all bluster either, as we have repeatedly seen in the manifestos of domestic terrorists.

The idea of The US against Them is nearing a boiling point and conspiracies like Q anon only further the furor. The most evil thing in life is when people believe they alone are doing good, and that is where our present culture is rapidly approaching, spurred faster by a leader that professes that very idea about himself and his followers.

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You know the scene in Ready Player One where everyone is fighting in the end and they show the real world where everyone is running around with VR headsets on? Maybe then? Real Civil War? Nah.
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Sure thats why domestic terror has been eradicated, gang violence never happens, the world over there are no civil uprisings. The all seeing technoeye is certainly full of winning.

To think that war cannot happen in America feels tremendously arrogant.

We are presently in an ideological civil war, it will only take a moment to slip into actual violence. How long that could then last depends on how fervent the participants are, because once it starts what blurry lines there are now will solidify and sides will be chosen fueled by the connection and emotion to how the initial violence plays out.

Also: Ready Player One sounds stupid, I am glad I skipped it.

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The things you're talking about (gang violence, terrorism) can happen because they're small.  A civil war would have to be large and coordinated, and would have our full intelligence community, and would likely not get past the local law enforcement stage, but if it did, it certainly wouldn't last long with the US military involved.

 

The only way a civil war COULD possibly happen, would be if a large portion of the military split off and managed to take a lot of weaponry with them.  And since said war wouldn't be geographical but rather ideological, the chance of that happening would be almost zero.  We've already seen politics turn into violence, and it hasn't crossed over into the mainstream, which would be the other requirement for an actual civil war.  It wouldn't have to be everyone, but a large enough cross-section to make it work.  


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Sure, how stupid of me. America cant possibly fall. Praises.

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America will fall, but not because some rednecks are mad. Instead we'll slowly fall like Great Britain. Our power will slowly decline, and other superpowers will emerge to take our place. China is already doing it.

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The error in thinking is thinking civil war will be like a "war" as we conceptualise it. Modern warfare isn't ever going to be like it was. Two massive armies going at it, taking territory with huge casualties on either side is not really a thing anymore. Small pockets of sectarian violence happening simultaneously is. That would be how any civil war would be, like the aftermath of every war the US has been engaged in since the first gulf war. Many isolated incidents of domestic terrorism happening all over the shop. All that would need to happen for it to become a real threat to the state is cohesion and organisation so that many incidents happen at the same time. I suppose that is the tricky part. The government cant exactly carpet bomb or smart bomb domestic targets and look like the good guy. I could see how it could happen... Not a pretty thought.
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The error in thinking the other way is that you can look at modern civil wars in dictatorships and assume the same thing can happen in a Western democracy.  

 

I mean, heck, people are gang-raping women on buses in India, so that's definitely going to happen in New York any second now.  


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The only way a civil war COULD possibly happen, would be if a large portion of the military split off and managed to take a lot of weaponry with them.  And since said war wouldn't be geographical but rather ideological, the chance of that happening would be almost zero.  We've already seen politics turn into violence, and it hasn't crossed over into the mainstream, which would be the other requirement for an actual civil war.  It wouldn't have to be everyone, but a large enough cross-section to make it work.  


My dad is a huge conspiracy theory nut, always has been. He claims he follows them for the lulz, but he also uses InfoWars toothpaste and InfoWars Iodine to protect against... whatever. Anyway, he told me about this, and he claims there is some secret movement in the military to take over the government from the inside.

This was LITERALLY the day that NPR reported on black mold infestations in on-base family housing that is making military children extremely sick, but their parents dont want to make waves demanding changes for fear of retaliation from the military. So, I asked my dad, how, exactly, are these rogue active duty soldiers going to pull off a coup where they successfully take over the Government of the United States of America when they cant even pull off making the military provide safe housing for their families?

He didnt have an answer for me.
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