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Democratic Presidential Campaigns for 2020


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Dear Elizabeth Warren,

 

I don't think I can vote for you. Please ask Beto to run instead.

 

Love, Spam.



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This won't be fun.  Thanks to the Obama years wiping out the talent pool, the Democrat bench is either old or low-tier.



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Yeah I agree, 2020 is probably going to be another s*** show.  Both parties sicken me these days, and the dems seem to think there are enough "anybody but Trump" voters that they don't have to work for it.  I am sad to say I may just sit this election out. 



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This was my reaction:

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You're hot.

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Haha! Why, thank you. As we've established in another thread, I have the ability to routinely change my gender.



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Haha! Why, thank you. As we've established in another thread, I have the ability to routinely change my gender.

Frog DNA?


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Yeah I agree, 2020 is probably going to be another s*** show.  Both parties sicken me these days, and the dems seem to think there are enough "anybody but Trump" voters that they don't have to work for it.  I am sad to say I may just sit this election out. 

My easy six part plan to fix politics:

1. Abolish political parties
2. Add eight year term linits to all electable positions
3. Ban lobbyists
4. Political position salaries should be consummate to other civil/government jobs and be capped
5. Everyone gets a pony
6. Running for President should require a minimum amount of 16 years of political/military/civil service.

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Bonus

#7 revamp/rezone the electoral college

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My easy six part plan to fix politics:

1. Abolish political parties
2. Add eight year term linits to all electable positions
3. Ban lobbyists
4. Political position salaries should be consummate to other civil/government jobs and be capped
5. Everyone gets a pony
6. Running for President should require a minimum amount of 16 years of political/military/civil service.

 

1 and 3 would require abolishing the 1st Amendment.



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Not necessarily.

I'm not saying politicians couldn't express their political views or that they should be censored for them. I'm talking more about removing political party associations from ballots. So people don't blindly vote for "their" party in all respects. Politicians can still self-identify however they please. I want to force both the people and politicians to make educated votes instead of relying on partisan duty.

Lobbying hides behind the first amendment ideas of petitioning the government with ideas and grievances. I'm talking about paid lobbyists who are basically funning deep-rooted bribery schemes. It requires more regulation and scrutiny. They live in a loop hole.

Also, I asked for a pony so I'm clearly being glib and know these are impossible things.
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Not impossible. Ponies are reasonably affordable. And the money you can make on kids birthday parties......... Pays or the pony.

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But if everyone has a pony, nobody will need ponies for parties. Well, maybe some weird Hollywood parties, but that's all

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Or you could head down to Mexico......:(

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I actual agree with Tank's ideas, aside from the one about military experience. I can certainly see why someone would want that, and I used to hold that exact same opinion myself, but . . . well, I don't care to voice an extremely unpopular opinion here that will ruffle everyone's feathers.

If you want ponies, you would love Vermin Supreme.



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There are a lot of career military people who are as bad as or worse than Trump. The only benefit I see of requiring service is to stop people from having the right to self-govern.

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I wouldn't vote for somebody with just military experience personally, it's just the idea of prolonged service for the country as a foundation for running the country.

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Robert Heinlen here we come!

 

In seriousness, you did just eliminate Lincoln and Theodore Roosevelt.



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Don't you have a slinky somewhere that needs to be straightened?

The Amendment means "to change a previously decided thing." The Constitution is a living document. In Lincoln and Roosevelt's respective times we did not live in a pop culture driven society wherein a mentally ill game show host could be elected president.

Just as we've changed the Constitution before to keep with modern thinking in terms of equal rights, so she we keep the Trumps, oprah's Kanye's and Clooneys the eff out of the White House.

Unless, you know, like Arnold, Reagan, Ventura, or Al Franken they go off and put in time as a state politician first.
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I'm not completely unsympathetic, even if I would come out on the other side.  16 years is a pretty long time for one.  Half the presidents we've had wouldn't qualify under those standards if not for military service, and I don't think we're likely to see many veterans running for president in the future simply as a matter of them making up less and less of the population (not to mention women even less likely to be among their ranks).

 

For one, a personal favorite of mine, Nikki Haley, still doesn't qualify despite possessing a pretty deep resume.

 

Which would basically leave career politicians for the most part, or at least someone that's just been a government employee for whatever reason.  Maybe something that requires some sort of stepping stone prior to running for president.  A few years would at least keep out the cranks.

 

I'll also point out that campaigns and selection process were often more vapid in the 19th century than they are today if you can believe it.



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You follow south Korean politics at all? That **** is insane!

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Yeah I agree, 2020 is probably going to be another s*** show.  Both parties sicken me these days, and the dems seem to think there are enough "anybody but Trump" voters that they don't have to work for it.  I am sad to say I may just sit this election out. 

My easy six part plan to fix politics:

1. Abolish political parties
2. Add eight year term limits to all electable positions
3. Ban lobbyists
4. Political position salaries should be consummate to other civil/government jobs and be capped
5. Everyone gets a pony
6. Running for President should require a minimum amount of 16 years of political/military/civil service.

7. revamp/rezone the electoral college 

 

 

None of this will happen, but for discussion's sake, here's my thoughts on each point:

 

Abolish political parties:   I don't know how a political system could function without parties altogether, but I would love to break the 2-party system.  I think most people don't fall into this binary choice, that pushes these parties to extreme ends of the spectrum.  I know we "technically" have more than 2 parties, but Rs and Ds dominate and share a monopoly. I would like to see a system where more parties are seriously included and break that monopoly.  I think we would have better representation by parties who take stands that more closely represent our society, and more people would feel they at least have a shot at having someone support their interests in a meaningful way. 

 

Add eight year term limits to all electable positions:  I have long been a supporter of term limits.  I also support age limits.  I think no term should exceed 4 years and I like the idea of limiting people to 2 terms or serving a total of  8 years for any political office is enough.  Also, I think it is time to abolish life-time appointments to SCOTUS or any office.  I also feel that there should be a max age someone can be, and if exceeded, they should not be able to run for certain offices.  For example, I think if one is over say the age of 70 (just pulling a number out of the air, if studies show 75 should be a cut off, I am for that), or will reach 70 before their term is up, they should not be allowed to run for president.  

 

Ban Lobbyists:  I do not like special interest groups and the way Lobbying is done is so slimy.  But I don't know if I can support banning lobbying outright.  It definitely is in need of revamp, though.  I have a problem with foreign governments or huge international corporations in particular, being allowed to influence US politicians, and having the ability to silence or overshadow voters.  

 

Political position salaries should be consummate to other civil/government jobs and be capped:  Absolutely.  And I think it is worth saying that during government shutdowns, politicians should never receive a paycheck.  Also, politicians and judges should not have benefits packages, healthcare, bonuses, or what have you that are different than your typical USPS letter carrier.  This idea of passing health care bills for the country, but having Cadillac benefits exclusively for lawmakers disgusts me.  

 

Running for President should require a minimum amount of 16 years of political/military/civil service:  I think a president in particular should have at least some standards.  Every prospective politician should submit for a background check, and pass it just like a law enforcement official.  I also think there should be a minimum education level, and I fully agree that there should be some combination of political/military/civil service.  Since the president is the Commander-in-Chief, I think there should be a minimum of 1 term of enlistment in a uniformed branch of service at some point in their life, or at least some service in a military-like job, like a law enforcement/first responder, etc.  Maybe even include time as a prosecutor?   Won't happen, but I would love to see a ban on any reality star or talk show host from ever running for any office.

 

Revamp/rezone the electoral college:  I am for it, because I think the presidency should be decided by popular vote (won't happen, but I think it is more fair).  I know the EC was originally set up so that the people didn't have too much direct power, as well as ensuring each state has a say in the election.  But at present, it seems large population states like NY, PA, OH, CA, TX always seem to dominate (dictate) elections.  Furthermore, I think primaries  held in Iowa, OH, NH, etc, should not have undue influence in primary elections, and I am tired of politicians feeling they need only campaign and cater to only a dozen states. 

 

Edit: The only problem I have with an election being decided by popular vote exclusively is the same large population states would still dominate elections.  I don't know how one can balance popular vote with electoral vote, but maybe the election outcome should be decided by taking both into consideration somehow.  If someone could figure THAT out, I think that might be a more fair way of conducting an election.  Maybe the electoral college could be rezoned in such a way to cast electoral votes by region, rather than states alone?  I'll save that for someone smarter than I to propose! 



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I wouldn't vote for somebody with just military experience personally, it's just the idea of prolonged service for the country as a foundation for running the country.

I feel this way about food service. You can't eat in a restaurant until you have done some work in a restaurant. Then you would understand why you need to be nice and not dickish.


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Working in the food service industry should be mandatory for everyone and anyone who eats out, i agree.

As for the presidential stuff, i can see where Tank and Chalup are coming from. No argument from me!

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I've seen arguments recently that the number of representatives in the House of Representatives should be increased to make the chamber more, uhh... representative.  It's been capped at 435 since 1911, but our population has grown a good bit since then.  The bonus effect (on top of better representation) would be that the Electoral College would much more likely track the popular vote.





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