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Avengers: Endgame SPOILER THREAD


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I just got out of it a little while ago and had a post movie beer (or 3) so a bit over the place... Overall I enjoyed it - honestly did think it was a little long, I don't think superheroes benefit from this kind of run time. But the second half was exceptional. Or at least the last hour. That was the culmination of all of the MCU - I don't really see how they'll be able to build up future phases to be better than that, unless they stay more individual focused from here on. 

 

But I need to see it again to really digest it. They did a lot of things in the film I wasn't expecting and some of those elements I'm still not sure how I feel about. But the cameos were all fantastic. 


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A few items here with big spoilers, so please don't go looking until you have seen the film!

 

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Have to say that it was really great fun to watch - think they did a great job wrapping it all up and I'm looking forward to seeing it again soon. 



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SPOILERS BELOW
 
I absolutely loved this movie, for the most part.  It was full of fanservice and callbacks without being hokey, it was hilarious without shifting the tone too much, it gave closure to so many almost decade-long story arcs, and it delivered a lot of the epic splash page goods that I've wanted to see ever since an Avengers movie was announced.
 
It's insane that this movie can even exist.  Some of the characters and scenarios on screen would have been laughable even as recently as five years ago.  But with all the MCU setup we've been given, it all feels believable, organic, and damned awesome.
 
Things I loved:
 
  • Visiting all the past MCU movies.  It was just like the fun parts of the last act of Back to the Future II where you get to see a past movie from a different perspective.  Seeing the Avengers and SHIELD take Loki away after Avengers 1 ended was hilarious, especially when everyone freaked out when Hulk tried to get on the elevator with them.
     
  • Cap's story seeing an awesome ending.  Not just in terms of finally getting that dance with Peggy, but seeing him and Tony make nice, seeing him come to terms with how hokey he used to be, and also that huge metaphorical shot of him being ready to take on all of the Thanos army himself.
     
  • I also loved the purposefully slow and intimate pace of the second act.  Getting to see how all of the team reacted to years of accepted defeat felt like a MCU version of The Leftovers.  All of those close character moments really set up amazing payoffs for the epic scenes in the last acts.  A lot of it was also hilarious and over the top, and yet still felt right.
     
  • THAT scene towards the end.  It's like ten years and twenty something movies led to it.  Right when Cap is about to basically commit suicide by standing up to the Thanos army, all of the characters we've met and grown to love warp in and have his back.  And then on top of that, you finally get the climatic "Assemble" callout.  I have NEVER heard shouting in a theater like that, it was like I was at a college football game instead of a theater.  I will remember that amazing moment in the theater the rest of my life.
 
Things I didn't care for:
 
  • The rules of time travel here are a little wonky and seemed to be shaped just so they can serve the plot.  Just because the characters make fun of Back to the Future doesn't mean that they can believably handle time travel in a way that the audience has learned over decades to not handle as believable.  Messing with the past to create limitless alternate timelines seems like a cheat as opposed to changing the future.
     
  • Captain Marvel saying she has to keep an eye on the rest of the universe is a really lame excuse for making her an Ex Machina whenever the plot requires her.
     
  • The five year gap is going to be a big problem for future MCU movies to deal with.  Like, how does Peter Parker even go back to school?  All of his surviving classmates would be far along in college by now, while he's still a Sophomore or Junior in high school.  Isn't Aunt May going to be an emotional wreck if she was unsnapped and still around?  Also, Scott's daughter Cassie has aged five years, do all of her friends come back undusted as the same age when they left?  It just feels messy and doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
Overall I do think I liked this a good bit more than Infinity War.  It was a little too balls to the wall in terms of pace and action, even though that was fun.  Endgame has a lot of problems with the SciFi mechanics of how it moves its own plot and the MCU as a whole forward, but it still unapologetically takes its time and takes a closer look at the characters and what's happened to really make the last giant epic scene and all of those little moments in it pay off big time.


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Spoilers are in the title so its their own fault now. I absolutely loved it. My only question is how is Ned still in high school if its five years later

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Yes, it is my own fault.  I spoiled myself.  I couldn't help it.  I read the link in Rogue 3's spoiler tag.

 

Holy **** that is awesome.



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Ah mate - sorry to have left temptation out there!

What do we think about Cap returning the Soul stone? Firstly how that happens (!), but mainly if that is a trade back for one of the 2 souls that were lost?

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ALSO

Giant-Man punching down a Leviathian

A-Force

Hail Hydra!

Valkyrie and Korg

Hawkeye kicking ass

Cap, can you hear me? Its Sam ...on your left.

CAP FINALLY GIVING ME MY ASSEMBLE LINE. Not at all ashamed to admit I teared up for it. I wanted that line so bad.
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I dont recall seeing Drax or Hulk doing anything in the final battle. Did I miss it?

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Drax from recollection took down one of the black order? Can't remember that well, so much going on in that last battle. I just remember him stabbing something a lot. 


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So...

I'll be a little bummed if everyone snapped out in IW doesn't come back to the very and and we really only get everyone at once for a couple minutes.

I knew it was inevitable, as was Carol's usage... and I'm far too jaded and know how the cookies are made to get choked up by the emotional beats I saw coming.... BUT, yeah, like DRay said...

The comic reading kid in me never expected to see that battle at the end, with literally everyone getting a moment... I got a little misty.

Second act drug a bit, and I too am confused as to how 5 years later worked for Peter going back to his friends. I guess we'll have to see in the next Spider-Man movie if maybe all of them got snapped, and they're all going back to school? Those were my only real complaints.

So officiallly....

Tony- dead.
Cap- aged out.
Natasha- dead.
Vision- dead.

And Gamorra and Loki are alive, but from alternate timelines. Her from before joing the Guardians, and him from post Avengers 1.

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The bit about Loki I feel makes the whole time travelling thing in this movie really messy. Sure, Cap went back in time and returned the stones to their original point but that bit makes no sense to me. Doesnt that mean there is always a splintered reality? Which is what they were trying to avoid? (I get that this will obviously be the point of his solo movie)

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He returned the tesseract/stone to the 70s. But Loki technically would have made a fractured timeline, but when they do his show I doubt they'll say that.

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The down side of the Loki show, if its post-Avengers 1 Loki, is that it negates all the character growth since then.

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I think there is a lot to like and a lot to dislike about this film, which isnt surprising to me as they had to conclude a massive arc and, I guess, stretch it to three hours for some reason.

I have three issues, really:

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I hid what I wrote, I really dont want to in any small way spoil someone.

Afterthought: retooled what I wrote a bit. Also, non-spoilery addition right here...

This film and the world they presented was far more interesting a place to tell new stories before time travel was brought into it, at least their version of time travel.

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The movie was a lot of fun, impressive in that basically everyone got a moment I think, and I found it to be an extremely satisfying wrap-up.

I also think the OMG best movie ever takers need to settle down a little.

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So officiallly....

Tony- dead.
Cap- aged out.
Natasha- dead.
Vision- dead.

And Gamorra and Loki are alive, but from alternate timelines. Her from before joing the Guardians, and him from post Avengers 1.

 

Which leaves room for all of those characters to return down the road, from alternate timelines or universes at some point.  Makes me wonder if they will do that with Black Widow in the upcoming film, or if it will be a prequel.  Or both.  



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I was wondering if Cap returned the soul stone, does she get to come back?
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I think that is a loophole they could use, at least.  

 

My question is if they continue the Avengers under a new team (be them Avengers or individual hero movies), will that make Spiderman the new genius Avengers inventor, or shared with Banner, or is that an in to bring in Michael Douglas back as Hank Pym?.

 

 

One last thought, I always liked Falcon.  Totally the under rated member of the team.  Kind of interesting if he ends up as the new Cap, though I will miss Falcon flying. Or maybe we won't, and he will keep his flying ability?



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For the tech, they got Pyn, Shuri, and Peter to an extent. Wakanda can pay for it.

I kinda wish the Defenders and Coulsen's AOS team were in the final battle too-- just a couple shots would have been fun.
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Danny Rand should have been there, just so Thanos could kill him.









Oh snap.
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Theory I had earlier after my second viewing: the use of the stones twice on earth triggers a latent recessive gene carried by some people, causing them to develop certain mutations. Then, you can slowly roll out mutants. Storm in black panther 2, for example.
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For the tech, they got Pyn, Shuri, and Peter to an extent. Wakanda can pay for it.

I kinda wish the Defenders and Coulsen's AOS team were in the final battle too-- just a couple shots would have been fun.

Wouldve been perfect after Strange asked if that was everyone.
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Theory I had earlier after my second viewing: the use of the stones twice on earth triggers a latent recessive gene carried by some people, causing them to develop certain mutations. Then, you can slowly roll out mutants. Storm in black panther 2, for example.

That would be cool way to do it for sure, but I was hoping they could retroactively canonize Xmen as part of the MCU.  At least the current incarnation since First Class, and of course Deadpool.    

 

I'm also hoping for a Fantastic 4 incarnation in the MCU, done right, and with She-Hulk, and I would love to see Silver Surfer in a GOTG movie.   



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Theory I had earlier after my second viewing: the use of the stones twice on earth triggers a latent recessive gene carried by some people, causing them to develop certain mutations. Then, you can slowly roll out mutants. Storm in black panther 2, for example.


Love this idea!



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