Guest El Chalupacabra Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 It's not that I have a problem Yoda appeared. I'm okay with that. It's the execution of how he was bought in. Like it was a first draft idea. It could have stood to have some revision. Which, I think, anyway, really kind of describes TLJ in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonAtila Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Since when does a force ghost have powers? Yoda just force-burned down the tree and it makes me wonder if Yoda had these powers why doesn't he help fight the bad guys ever since he died? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odine Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Maybe it took massive effort of will to manifest himself and do that trick for Luke. Maybe it was super hard but he had to make it look easy so Luke would be humbled and still in awe of Yoda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted August 1, 2018 Author Share Posted August 1, 2018 Since when does a force ghost have powers? Yoda just force-burned down the tree and it makes me wonder if Yoda had these powers why doesn't he help fight the bad guys ever since he died?Since The Last Jedi came out I guess. I guess he doesn't help the good guys from beyond the grave for the same reason Obi Wan didn't just use the Force to throw the switch on the Death Star's tractor beams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Well Obi did say that if Darth struck him down he would become more powerful than he could possibly imagine. I guess that meant becoming a force ghost who’s only purpose was to explain away plot holes from a certain point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Since when does a force ghost have powers? Yoda just force-burned down the tree and it makes me wonder if Yoda had these powers why doesn't he help fight the bad guys ever since he died?On that note, since when was using hyperdrive a way to make a ship into the ultimate weapon? If that were a thing, why didnt the rebels in SW try that sooner? Thanks, TLJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Since when does a force ghost have powers? Yoda just force-burned down the tree and it makes me wonder if Yoda had these powers why doesn't he help fight the bad guys ever since he died?Off the top of my head, and counting EU....Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun, and Naga Sadow were all sith lords who later became force ghosts, and all had abilities as ghosts to attack the living. As to why Yoda didn't interfere, I agree he should have, but perhaps there is something that prevents jedi force ghosts from interfering in the living world (Obi Wan did tell Luke he could not interfere in TESB): either a code of some type, or they physically can't effect change very long (see below). Maybe it took massive effort of will to manifest himself and do that trick for Luke. Maybe it was super hard but he had to make it look easy so Luke would be humbled and still in awe of Yoda. I like this explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 Do you think in ancient Greek times people sat around while Aristotle or Socrates told a story and were like 'well if Zeus could do that why didn;t he do that" or "Well if Poeseiden could do this why didn't he do that" They probably did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonAtila Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Except that the Greek Gods were real people, they were reality stars and we just think they're myth today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Do you think in ancient Greek times people sat around while Aristotle or Socrates told a story and were like 'well if Zeus could do that why didn;t he do that" or "Well if Poeseiden could do this why didn't he do that" They probably did. People in ancient times didn’t question the competence or motives of the gods, they just didn’t want to piss them off. Love the new avatar. If that’s you, you look exactly how I pictured you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 The fact that you pictured me is kinda creepy. As for Ancients, my guess is that much like modern times there were a majority of people who didn't really believe in the Gods or God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Funny you mention that, because creepy is exactly how I pictured you, ZZ Top, and you have now confirmed it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Do you think in ancient Greek times people sat around while Aristotle or Socrates told a story and were like 'well if Zeus could do that why didn;t he do that" or "Well if Poeseiden could do this why didn't he do that" They probably did. LMFAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 Funny you mention that, because creepy is exactly how I pictured you, ZZ Top, and you have now confirmed it.Creepy? Damnit. I was going for skeevy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceheart Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Do you think in ancient Greek times people sat around while Aristotle or Socrates told a story and were like 'well if Zeus could do that why didn;t he do that" or "Well if Poeseiden could do this why didn't he do that" They probably did. They most definitely did not. Aristotle and Socrates were philosophers. Homer would have gotten these protestations. I have a degree in Classical Languages, I know these things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 But didn't they also spend alot of time coming up with and discussing how to format stories? At least one of them is famous for that, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iceheart Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I think you're thinking of Plato. I had to "read" that in capstone (I mean, I kinda skimmed the English translation...). It didn't cover what the gods were and were not capable of, it was more about the role of storytelling in culture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 From what I’ve read about Greek culture they definitely believed in gods, but primarily out of fear. It’s not like today, where people view religion as a source of hope, it was more of them believing that something bad was just around the corner so just to be safe you better not piss off the “gods”. If you were about to go on a sea voyage, for instance, you paid homage to Poseidon just to be on the safe side. It was more of a superstition to them,. I certainly don’t think they wasted any time worrying about what superpowers they had and whether there were any inconsistencies. To them they were just happy to be alive. And as for the stories they told, as silly as they sound today, they actually believed that stuff. I’ll let someone more educated than me confirm this (I just read history for fun), but I don’t think the concept of fiction was even a thing for the Greeks. All of it, to them, was primarily based on something that actually happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted August 2, 2018 Author Share Posted August 2, 2018 From what I’ve read about Greek culture they definitely believed in gods, but primarily out of fear. It’s not like today, where people view religion as a source of hope, it was more of them believing that something bad was just around the corner so just to be safe you better not piss off the “gods”. If you were about to go on a sea voyage, for instance, you paid homage to Poseidon just to be on the safe side. It was more of a superstition to them,. I certainly don’t think they wasted any time worrying about what superpowers they had and whether there were any inconsistencies. To them they were just happy to be alive. And as for the stories they told, as silly as they sound today, they actually believed that stuff. I’ll let someone more educated than me confirm this (I just read history for fun), but I don’t think the concept of fiction was even a thing for the Greeks. All of it, to them, was primarily based on something that actually happened.I'm sure many did, but I'm also sure many didn't as well. Also, didn't the Greeks like kinda invent Western drama and fiction? I guess that's a question for Iceheart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Yeah, I think that would be an Iceheart question. My guess is that the true stories that Greek theater was based on became so embellished over time that they simply evolved into fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 JJ Abrams joined Twitter yesterday and his first tweet thanked Rian for his work on TLJ. Simple question, how do you think JJ really feels about TLJ? I know I'm asking for mind reading, but just your gut feeling. I want to think JJ is pissed that Rian wiped his ass with all the mysteries JJ set up but he's probably such a chill dude that he doesn't give a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Pissed. I can’t imagine that he wouldn’t be. It would be like asking you to take care of the pie but you only get control of the crust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted August 3, 2018 Author Share Posted August 3, 2018 JJ Abrams joined Twitter yesterday and his first tweet thanked Rian for his work on TLJ. Simple question, how do you think JJ really feels about TLJ? I know I'm asking for mind reading, but just your gut feeling. I want to think JJ is pissed that Rian wiped his ass with all the mysteries JJ set up but he's probably such a chill dude that he doesn't give a shot.I have no idea his opinion of the movie but I don't think Johnson's handling of "mysteries" has anything to do with it. JJ never intended stuff like that to be answered. Those things were done in the name of expediency and having a fast paced, fun movie. The saber was at Maz's because they wanted Rey to end up with it, so they just put it there. They never had any intention of explaining how it arrived there. Same goes for other "mysteries". These explanations, unless they are meant to be a major, important part of the story, are just filler. For instance there are 2 things that basically just show up completely out of nowhere in TFA. The Falcon and the saber. We got an "explanation" on the Falcon. So and so stole it from so and so who stole it from so and so. It's just lip service, it means nothing. The names are just made up names. It coulda been "flippity floppidy stole it from hocus pocus who stole it from dorkus malorcus." The explanation means nothing. Just like if Maz had said "an ugnaught found the saber and sold it to Hopalong who lost it in a card game to Babalou who gave it to be to pay off an old debt." Ok, its an explanation but it means nothing, its just random names. It doesn't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 4, 2018 Share Posted August 4, 2018 Every girl is crazy bout a sharp dressed man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted August 4, 2018 Author Share Posted August 4, 2018 Every girl is crazy bout a sharp dressed man.ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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