Poe Dameron Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I made a judgment call on Fantasia. Same with Spirited Away. Much like the real tournament, the bubble got to be very weak. If a movie couldn't make the cut for the top 64... it was very weak. I actually had 68 (for the play-in games) but I couldn't find a good bracket template for that). No offense, but you made an awful judgement call on that one. I thought you ranked them based on their IMDB, Rotten Tomatoes scores? Fantasia's easily bests a good chunk of these movies. You swap out Fantasia into the 64 slot where Cars 2 is, it goes all the way to the finals with me. Spirited Away isn't Disney's and doesn't belong, but if you eliminated it because you thought it was "very weak". Well, I just don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Jesus you are insufferable in literally everything you do aren't you? The "very weak" and comments regarding Fantasia and Spirited Away are obviously two separate discussions. The 65th movie on the list was like Jungle Book 2 or something. Spirited Away would have been #1 by a mile, and if I remember right, Fantasia would have been a 5 or something. Fantasia and Spirited Away, for different reasons, share hardly any DNA with these movies. They're their own thing. I really agree about Spirited Away, but if I never mentioned it someone (probably you!) would have come in and gone "#WellActually Spirited Away is technically a Disney movie because they dubbed it and distributed it and it's soooo good and I'm asserting my intelligence by asking how could you leave it out." So, ya know, calculated risk. Allllll that to say, no offense, but I don't really give a shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Okay, you seem to be escalating things into personal territory, but whatever. The "very weak" and comments regarding Fantasia and Spirited Away are obviously two separate discussions. What did you mean then? What was the "very weak" comment directed towards? Fantasia and Spirited Away, for different reasons, share hardly any DNA with these movies. They're their own thing. I'll agree about Spirited Away. Disney basically picked up the distribution rights to a finished movie in that case. Fantasia though, that was a passion project from Walt himself utilizing all the legendary animators of the Golden Age. In a lot of ways, Pinocchio suffered because Disney's enthusiasm for Fantasia eclipsed it. It certainly sits in its own little corner because there's nothing else like it to be found anywhere, but only Snow White contains more purified Walt Disney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I think Lucas did a neat thing and he was just trying to be fun. Fantasia is actually one of my favorites. It scared me so much when I was a kid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Yeah well, sadly, he just derailed his own fun for a grudge against someone who had none against him. Again, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 "No offense but...""...I don't know what to tell you" I don't have any patience for your condescension. Just because you've never directed it at me before, or at least not lately, doesn't mean it doesn't annoy me seeing you speak to others that way as often as you do. My fun isn't derailed. I just don't have interest in being talked down to. As far as your actual contributions went, they were great, and I said as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 And it continues. <sigh> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 The actual problem here is that you made a comment that I rather reasonably construed as your saying "Fantasia and Spirited Away weren't good enough to be on the list." I'm still not sure why you went into the bit about very weak movies, and of course I thought you were talking about the films that were already brought up in the post because up until then you were saying why you didn't include them. I basically said, "That's crazy!" And you go, "Of course that's crazy! And now I'm going to call you names for saying so." And here we are. Do you really want to continue this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Not trying to get involved in the argument but if you are trying to make a bracket for Disney that is objective and indicative of the most important Disney movies then Fantasia has to be included. The other movie you guys are talking about I've never even heard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Wicket Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 There must be some other movie included too... Think, think, think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 The other movie you guys are talking about I've never even heard of. It's a Japanese film from Hayao Miyazaki. They guy who did Princess Mononoke, My Neighbor Totoro, Howl's Moving Castle, and a bunch of others you might have heard of. Well, Spirited Away was his critical and commercial masterpiece. If they had to redo the Oscars from that year, I rather suspect it would win best picture (it's aged better than Chicago anyway). It falls somewhere between beloved and revered in animation circles. Hence my incredulity at the thought that it wasn't good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 The actual problem here is that you made a comment that I rather reasonably construed as your saying "Fantasia and Spirited Away weren't good enough to be on the list." I'm still not sure why you went into the bit about very weak movies, and of course I thought you were talking about the films that were already brought up in the post because up until then you were saying why you didn't include them. I basically said, "That's crazy!" And you go, "Of course that's crazy! And now I'm going to call you names for saying so." And here we are. Do you really want to continue this?Continue what? You're the least self aware person on the board. There's never any conversation to be had with you. How a normal person might have handled this: "Whoa, out of curiosity what went into the judgment call to not include Fantasia/Spirited Away? Those are really good and deserve to be on the list!" How you handle it: No offense but your judgment is terrible..... then I can't help you." The weak comment was clearly in reference to the "weak bubble" and "Disney NIT" discussion- the interchangable movies that got excluded. Jungle Book 2, Winnie the Pooh, Black Cauldron,Bambi 2, others I can't remember off the top of my head. Sure they're entertaining, and might make a difference to some people but on the whole they don't really matter for the exercise. Use some context for God's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 & 6 years to go... Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 C'mon guys. Let's get back to talking about this great-idea thread, and stop the fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 Continue what? You're the least self aware person on the board. There's never any conversation to be had with you. Very well. Continue complaining about what an awful person I am, about how you're the aggrieved one, and that personal attacks are justified because I didn't couch my words in the specific way that you would approve. Just know that I long ago learned it's best not to take responsibility for other people's behavior. Everything you've felt has been against someone who meant you no harm at all. Use some context for God's sake. There's no context to let one know you were talking about two different things. The comment about Disney NIT was about how Fantasia would be in it and you didn't say what the judgement call was. I could only assume that you explained what the judgement was in the next sentence. In the end, do you doubt that I thought you meant that these movies weren't good enough? In my mind, of course Fantasia is a Disney movie. Disney himself made it. The idea that there was a judgement to be made whether it was more of a Disney movie than James and the Giant Peach or Frankenweenie never crossed my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good God a Bear Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Okay, what the hell...I think I did it right... Sweet SixteenLion King over Toy Story 2Aladdin over Monsters Inc Finding Nemo over UpPocahontas over Mulan Dumbo over Lady and the TrampFox and the Hound over Bambi Peter Pan over Little MermaidPinocchio over 101 Dalmatians Elite 8Lion King over AladdinFinding Nemo over Pocahontas Fox and the Hound over DumboPeter Pan over Pinocchio FInal 4Lion King over Finding NemoFox and the Hound over Peter Pan Championship Fox and the Hound over Lion King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 Honest to goodness, I have not seen half of the Disney movies listed in the brackets. I just watched Moana and I still haven't seen Frozen and I teach and have escaped actually seeing a singles Cars movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good God a Bear Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 I don't have to see Frozen to know I hate that shit. That one song that was constantly played was enough to clue me in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 30, 2018 Author Share Posted March 30, 2018 I don't have to see Frozen to know I hate that ****. That one song that was constantly played was enough to clue me in. I was surprise Frozen was seeded so low given its popularity - but then I wondered if there were enough frustrated parents who logged on to rate it lowly because they had heard the song too many times lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Wicket Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Region 1 First Round1-The Lion King over 16-Cars 28-Alice in Wonderland over 9-Sleeping Beauty5-Toy Story 2 over 12-Princess and the Frog4-Tangled over 13-Bolt3-Monsters Inc over 14-Rescuers Down Under11-Lilo and Stitch over 6-The Incredibles7-The Jungle Book over 10-Great Mouse Detective2-Aladdin over 15-The Rescuers Second Round8-Alice in Wonderland over 1-The Lion King5-Toy Story 2 over 4-Tangled11-Lilo and Stitch over 3-Monsters Inc7-The Jungle Book over 2-Aladdin Sweet Sixteen8-Alice in Wonderland over 5-Toy Story 27-The Jungle Book over 11-Lilo and Stitch Elite Eight7-The Jungle Book over 8-Alice in Wonderland Region 2 First Round1-Up over 16-James and the Giant Peach9-Hercules over 8-Emperor's New Groove12-Tarzan over 5-Wreck It Ralph4-Finding Nemo over 13-Treasure Planet14-Hunchback of Notre Dame over 3-Nightmare Before Christmas6-Mulan over 11-Brave10-Cars over 7-Monster's University15-Pocahontas over 2-Wall-E Second Round9-Hercules over 1-Up4-Finding Nemo over 12-Tarzan6-Mulan over 14-Hunchback of Notre Dame10-Cars over 15-Pocahontas Sweet Sixteen4-Finding Nemo over 9-Hercules10-Cars over 6-Mulan Elite Eight4-Finding Nemo over 10-Cars Region 3 First Round16-Oliver and Co. over 1-Coco8-Cinderella over 9-Lady and the Tramp12-Dumbo over 5-Moana4-Ratatouille over 13-Meet the Robinsons3-Zootopia over 14-A Goofy Movie6-Frozen over 10-Bambi7-Robin Hood over 10-The Fox and the Hound15-Cars 3 over 2-Toy Story 3 Second Round8-Cinderella over 16-Oliver and Co.12-Dumbo over 4-Ratatouille6-Frozen over 3-Zootopia15-Cars 3 over 7-Robin Hood Sweet Sixteen12-Dumbo over 8-Cinderella15-Cars 3 over 6-Frozen Elite Eight12-Dumbo over 15-Cars 3 Region 4 First Round1-Toy Story over 16-The Good Dinosaur9-Peter Pan over 8-Snow White5-Little Mermaid over 12-A Bug's Life13-Aristocats over 4-Big Hero 63-Inside Out over 14-Frankenweenie6-Who Framed Roger Rabbit over 11-101 Dalmatians10-Pinocchio over 7-Finding Dory15-Brother Bear over 2-Beauty and the Beast Second Round9-Peter Pan over 1-Toy Story5-Little Mermaid over 13-Aristocats6-Who Framed Roger Rabbit over 3-Inside Out10-Pinocchio over 15-Brother Bear Sweet Sixteen9-Peter Pan over 5-Little Mermaid10-Pinocchio over 6-Who Framed Roger Rabbit Elite Eight9-Peter Pan over 10-Pinocchio Final Four4-Finding Nemo over 7-The Jungle Book9-Peter Pan over 12-Dumbo Championship...and the Champion is...1-The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh ...uuuuhhhh I mean....9-Peter Pan over 4-Finding Nemo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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