Lucas1138 Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 If you've been on the internet the last several days, chances are you've seen the abomination that is that Disney/Pixar bracket floating around. I thought it was awful, so I decided to expand on it and make my own last night. I ranked 70 or so movies by IMDB rating (breaking ties by number of votes) and then by Rotten Tomatoes audience rating (breaking ties the same way) then averaged the two to get an aggregated seeding list. In case of ties at that point I just broke them myself - there were only like 5 or so. Here's what I came up with: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Wicket Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Do we get to vote? When does the tournament begin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I'd vote for a 16 seed that'd make everyone mad. Make this a poll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 I'll give it a day or so to see if there's any traction. Don't want to create two separate 18 question poll threads for nothing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Man we could have a selection Sunday battle with that bracket. Cars is a 10 seed and Zootopia is a 3 seed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 Some that I was surprised by where they were seeded (again, keeping in mind there was a methodology to this, not just my own rankings!): 6 Incredibles - little low, seems like a 3ish9 Hercules - way low, 5?3 Nightmare Before Christmas - little high?6 Mulan - way low10 Cars - definitely seems low15 Pocahontas - way low5 Moana - little low, as high as 2 even?6 Frozen - I don't care for it but thought it would be higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 I must not get brackets since I don’t sports. I can look at this and determine my winner in about 30 seconds in my head. Do not get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 Yes that's fine. The idea is that the "journey" will be different for everyone. And the idea of comparing movies against one another that you might never otherwise consider (Coco vs. Oliver and Co? Brave v Mulan?) One man's Lion King is another man's Moana. You think Up is amazing? I've got Hercules going to the "Final Four" etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Wicket Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Where the hell is Winnie the Pooh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 The Disney NIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Wicket Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 The Disney NIT.Outrageous. He was snubbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Sweet Sixteen1-Lion King over 5-Toy Story 26-The Incredibles over 2-Aladdin 1-Up over 4-Finding Nemo2-Wall-E over 14-Hunchback of ND 12-Dumbo over 8-Cinderella2-Toy Story 3 over 11-Bambi 8-Snow White over 5-Little Mermaid10-Pinnochio over 11-101 Dalmations Elite 81-The Lion King over 6-The Incredibles1-Up over 2-Wall-E12-Dumbo over 2-Toy Story 310-Pinnochio over 8-Snow White Final 4The Lion King over UpPinnochio over Dumbo ChampionshipPinnochio over The Lion King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 Sweet Sixteen1-Lion King over 5-Toy Story 26-The Incredibles over 2-Aladdin 1-Up over 4-Finding Nemo2-Wall-E over 14-Hunchback of ND 12-Dumbo over 8-Cinderella2-Toy Story 3 over 11-Bambi 8-Snow White over 5-Little Mermaid10-Pinnochio over 11-101 Dalmations Elite 81-The Lion King over 6-The Incredibles1-Up over 2-Wall-E12-Dumbo over 2-Toy Story 310-Pinnochio over 8-Snow White Final 4The Lion King over UpPinnochio over Dumbo ChampionshipPinnochio over The Lion KingSee, Tank - this is informative! Choc's picks are full of the "classics" whereas when I fill mine out I hardly have any advancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 ROUND 1: 1. Lion King64. Cars 2 Mismatch. 32. Alice In Wonderland33. Sleeping Beauty Sleeping Beauty wins on points thanks to art design. 17. Toy Story 248. Princess and the Frog Mismatch. 16. Tangled49. Bolt Mismatch. 9. Monsters Inc.56. Rescuers Down Under The Rescuers movies are somewhat underrated and Rescuers Down Under has some truly wonderful animation, but Monsters Inc. is just better and underrated itself. 24. Incredibles41. Lilo and Stitch Incredibles is overrated. Lilo and Stitch, while not great, is a nice addition to the Renaissance’s waning years. 25. Jungle Book40. Great Mouse Detective Close, but Jungle Book just cut too many corners in the end not to annoy me every time I watch it. 8. Aladdin57. Rescuers Mismatch even if I maintain Rescuers is underrated. 4. Up61. James and the Giant Peach If you didn’t cry after the first 10 minutes of Up, you have no soul. 29. Emperor’s New Groove36. Hercules Good match-up. Emperor’s New Groove’s comedy works just a bit better. 20. Wreck-it Ralph45. Tarzan Tarzan gets overlooked, which is a bit unfortunate. 13. Finding Nemo52. Treasure Planet Closer than you’d think 12. Nightmare Before Christmas53. Hunchback of Notre Dame Never was a big fan of Nightmare Before Christmas or stop-motion in general. 21. Mulan44. Brave Both a bit disappointing, but Brave is easily Pixar’s most disappointing movie. 28. Monster’s University37. Cars Not a big fan of either. Someone had to win. 5. Wall-E60. Pocahontas Mismatch. 2. Coco16. Oliver and Company Coco is the 2 seed? Mismatch anyway. 31. Cinderella34. Lady and the Tramp Good match-up. I give it to Lady and the Tramp for having a nicer narrative and knowing itself better. It’s amazing how much they got in under the radar for this movie. It took me years to figure out that Lady spends half the movie pregnant. And you can almost smell the cigarette smoke around Peg as Peggy Lee sings “He’s a Tramp”. 18. Moana47. Dumbo Moana deserved better than to go out in the first round. But Dumbo is a well above her. 15. Ratatouille50. Meet the Robinsons Mismatch. 10. Zootopia55. Goofy Movie Mismatch. 23. Frozen42. Bambi Frozen gets taken out by a classic the same way Moana did. Tough break. 26. Robin Hood39. Fox and the Hound Fox and the Hound has issues, but Robin Hood was just bleh. 7. Toy Story 358. Cars 3 Mismatch. 3. Toy Story62. Good Dinosaur Mismatch. 30. Snow White35. Peter Pan Mismatch. 19. Little Mermaid46. Bug’s Life Mismatch. 14. Big Hero 651. Aristocats Mismatch. 11. Inside Out54. Franenweenie Mismatch. 22. Who Framed Roger Rabbit?43. 101 Dalmatians Close one. Roger Rabbit has a place in my heart. It can also lay claim to be the true beginning of the Disney Renaissance. 27. Finding Dory38. Pinocchio Mismatch. Pinocchio’s just technically way above Dory. 6. Beauty and the Beast59. Brother Bear Mismatch. ROUND 2: 1. Lion King33. Sleeping Beauty Art design will only get you so far. 17. Toy Story 216. Tangled Toy Story 2 is the best of its series, but Tangled is deeply underappreciated for its contribution to CGI animation. It’s also got some pretty nice comedic elements. 9. Monsters Inc.41. Lilo and Stitch Both underappreciated, but Monsters Inc. wins on points. 40. Great Mouse Detective8. Aladdin Mismatch. 4. Up29. Emperor’s New Groove Up struggles to reach anywhere near the heights of the first 10 minutes. Emperor’s New Groove is one of Disney’s funnier animated outings. 45. Tarzan13. Finding Nemo Finding Nemo is somewhat overrated itself. The only thing that keeps things close is that Tarzan has Terk, a truly bad character, but it’s not enough to knock it out yet. 53. Hunchback of Notre Dame21. Mulan Hunchback has bigger highs, but the gargoyles give it bigger lows. If they’d had the courage to cut them out, Hunchback would be top-tier. Eddie Murphy’s best voiceover work is done in Mulan. 37. Cars5. Wall-E Mismatch. 2. Coco34. Lady and the Tramp Close one, but I’ve got a soft spot for the doggies. 47. Dumbo15. Ratatouille Dumbo takes down one of Pixar’s underappreciated gems. 10. Zootopia42. Bambi Better animated and more timeless. 39. Fox and the Hound7. Toy Story 3 Toy Story 3 in a squeaker. Hey, that scene where the old widow has to abandon Tod is a tearjerker. 3. Toy Story30. Snow White Look at this. Two movies that essentially created their artform and perfected it from the very beginning! Snow White is a bit of a tighter movie with better animation. Also no Hakuna Matata to be found in it. 19. Little Mermaid14. Big Hero 6 Mismatch. 11. Inside Out22. Who Framed Roger Rabbit? Two of the more mature movies on the list (in the classic sense). Inside Out wins a close one thanks to it having the most surprising moral on this whole list. It’s almost amazing that a current generation movie told children it’s okay to be sad. 38. Pinocchio6. Beauty and the Beast Mismatch. Beauty and the Beast is Disney’s most overrated animated movie and can’t hold a candle to the classics. SWEET 16: 1. Lion King16. Tangled Another close one. The Lion King is a juggernaut in its own right and represented a peak for Disney’s popularity in the 90s. But Tangled was a return to form, and as stated above, moved things forward while carving out its own place. 9. Monsters Inc.8. Aladdin Tough call. Aladdin’s just more memorable though. 29. Emperor’s New Groove45. Tarzan Another close one. I’m going to say Terk and the silly stomp number lower Tarzan just enough to make the difference. 21. Mulan5. Wall-E If I’m going to be honest, I want to watch Mulan more. Wall-E is special in its own right, but watching it just isn’t as fun. 34. Lady and the Tramp47. Dumbo Two favorites of mine. Both nice little stories. Dumbo wins just based on its ability to manipulate emotions and better animation. 42. Bambi7. Toy Story 3 Yeah, Bambi can take on all comers when it comes to tear-jerkers. The prototype for The Lion King is a wonderful circle of life story told on a smaller scale. 30. Snow White19. Little Mermaid Snow White comes up against another film that kicked off its era. The Little Mermaid had a better formula though, that Disney has been milking ever since, but has never quite been able to match. 11. Inside Out38. Pinocchio Inside Out wins thanks to a stronger story as opposed to Pinocchio’s shotgun approach to storytelling. ELITE 8: 16. Tangled8. Aladdin To me, this isn’t very close. Aladdin’s fun, but not a peak. Tangled is a peak. 29. Emperor’s New Groove21. Mulan Okay, at this point I’ve just gotta say that the left side of the bracket is nowhere near as strong as the right half. Emperor’s New Groove wins this bout thanks to Mulan following formula a bit too much, but it doesn’t belong in the Final Four. 47. Dumbo42. Bambi Two Golden Age heavy hitters. Dumbo takes it based on better use of music in the immediate aftermath of Fantasia. See the Pink Elephants sequence for one big example. Speaking of which: Where the hell is Fantasia! 19. Little Mermaid11. Inside Out Oh, part of me wants to say Inside Out, but The Little Mermaid holds the distinction of having the best Disney Princess and best collection of songs in a Disney animated movies. FINAL 4: 16. Tangled29. Emperor’s New Groove After a Cinderella run of its own (ironically Cinderella herself got eliminated in the 1st round), Tangled put down Emperor’s New Groove and moves onto the finals. 47. Dumbo19. Little Mermaid Oh, this is hard. I love Dumbo, really I do. But I just can’t deny The Little Mermaid has so much going for it. As stated before, it’s got the best Disney princess, the best song collection, it created and perfected the Disney formula, it has an awesome villain, and there aren’t any down points to be found. Dumbo’s got it beat on animation and emotions and there’s little fat to be found there either, but The Little Mermaid is just slightly a more complete movie. CHAMPIONSHIP: 16. Tangled19. Little Mermaid Honestly, it’s fitting that these two are the last even if Tangled is over-matched. Both are somewhat unappreciated as they set Disney back on course following a dark age. Both are somewhat overshadowed by inferior movies that rode their wake to bigger box office and acclaim. The Little Mermaid was overshadowed by Beauty and the Beast, while Tangled was overshadowed by Frozen (though Frozen was a much better movie than Beauty and the Beast). The Little Mermaid wins though. Really this was decided the last round as only Dumbo is close to The Little Mermaid in my opinion and could give it a run for its money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 Great commentary, Poe. I had Sweet 161 Lion King over 5 Toy Story 2 2 Aladdin over 3 Monster's Inc. 9 Hercules over 4 Finding Nemo6 Mulan over 2 Wall E 5 Moana over 1 Coco2 Toy Story 3 over 3 Zootopia 1 Toy Story over 12 A Bug's Life2 Beauty and the Beast over 3 Inside Out Elite 81 Lion King over 2 Aladdin9 Hercules over 6 Mulan2 Toy Story 3 over 5 Moana1 Toy Story over 2 Beauty and the Beast Final 41 Lion King over 9 Hercules2 Toy Story 3 over Toy Story Championship1 Lion King over 2 Toy Story 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Yes that's fine. The idea is that the "journey" will be different for everyone. And the idea of comparing movies against one another that you might never otherwise consider (Coco vs. Oliver and Co? Brave v Mulan?) One man's Lion King is another man's Moana. You think Up is amazing? I've got Hercules going to the "Final Four" etc.Since this is subjective most people are going to have their own Cinderellas. No pun intended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 Sweet Sixteen1-Lion King over 5-Toy Story 26-The Incredibles over 2-Aladdin 1-Up over 4-Finding Nemo2-Wall-E over 14-Hunchback of ND 12-Dumbo over 8-Cinderella2-Toy Story 3 over 11-Bambi 8-Snow White over 5-Little Mermaid10-Pinnochio over 11-101 Dalmations Elite 81-The Lion King over 6-The Incredibles1-Up over 2-Wall-E12-Dumbo over 2-Toy Story 310-Pinnochio over 8-Snow White Final 4The Lion King over UpPinnochio over Dumbo ChampionshipPinnochio over The Lion KingSee, Tank - this is informative! Choc's picks are full of the "classics" whereas when I fill mine out I hardly have any advancing. Mine is actually fairly balanced, Elite 8 had 4 Pixar, 3 "Classics" and 1 newer traditionally animated movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 I just meant in comparison to mine, I think I might have had all the classics going out in just about the first round. The question I ask myself in this kind of exercise is "would I rather watch x or y?" and for me, I just skew newer. Not surprising since I'm 27 and was raised in the age of the mid 90s and Pixar movies (though if memory serves, you aren't that much older than me?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 The seeding itself hurts the older movies. They get the "mid-major" treatment in NCAA Basketball terms. They just happened to be rated slightly lower on IMDB/RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Fantasia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ender Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 It took me a minute to realize that 1 Up was the ranking and the movie. I kept wondering why some shitty Adam Sandler movie was ranked #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Wicket Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Fantasia!I was thinking of adding that one and many others to the Disney NIT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good God a Bear Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 OMG why did you make that one movie title so tiny my old eyes can't see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I just meant in comparison to mine, I think I might have had all the classics going out in just about the first round. The question I ask myself in this kind of exercise is "would I rather watch x or y?" and for me, I just skew newer. Not surprising since I'm 27 and was raised in the age of the mid 90s and Pixar movies (though if memory serves, you aren't that much older than me?).I'm 40 so I was at that age in my teens where I was too cool to watch and love the early 90's Disney movies. So I don't really have sentimental thoughts for any of them. I've seem most of them since then though and have an appreciation, obviously by having The Lion King advance as far as I did. But no, I didn't grow up on them. My semifinal of Pinocchio and Dumbo's winner both would have beaten The Lion King though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Fantasia!I was thinking of adding that one and many others to the Disney NIT. I made a judgment call on Fantasia. Same with Spirited Away. Much like the real tournament, the bubble got to be very weak. If a movie couldn't make the cut for the top 64... it was very weak. I actually had 68 (for the play-in games) but I couldn't find a good bracket template for that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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