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Guest El Chalupacabra

I'm going bonkers between all these threads-- but I swear I've posted this several times.

 

R2 is Luke's navigator, always has been. Luke found a map to the first Jedi temple, R2 helped him plot the course, but then he left R2 behind and told him to erase the map.

 

People knew what Luke was looking for so they did the same homework. The map to the Temple WAS the map to Luke. That's the only way it could make sense. That info is hard to come by and fragmented, so the map was incomplete. R2 was able to fill the gaps given what was still fragmented in his memory.

I guess that is just those things you are NOT supposed to think too much about, as you shovel popcorn into your mouth and stare at the screen.

 

But I get what you are saying. The map to Luke makes about as much sense as a homing beacon given to Rey does. Luke had no idea where Han, Leia, and Chewie were, yet he flew straight to Bespin from Dagobagh, because he sensed it from the force. If Rey is even more powerful than Luke was at the same age (or ever?), why would Rey need a homing beacon to find the resistance? Other than to give Finn a side quest, that is. Never mind homing beacons can be hacked. I kind of think it would have been ironic if it turned out it was the beacon the First Order was tracking in hyperspace, so that Leia could get some fail time, too.

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Kylo is a lot better written and acted. *shrug*

Better acted for sure. Written? If you go by the movies maybe. Lucas's problem with his overall story of the prequels is that they were better served with the Clone Wars minis and cartoon as companion pieces. The Clones Wars cartoon really made Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith mesh. Besides their arcs are different. I'm not sure if Anakin as Kylo works 15 years ago.(good lord 15 years) people thought he was whiny back then. Kylo ain't scoring Padme lol.
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Guest El Chalupacabra

 

I did not like a lot of the attempts at humour in this film, but that one felt like a nice call-back to the OT and how dire problems were solved for the heroes at times. It may have been slightly more cartoonish, but I was okay with it.

 

 

 

Well anything involving Finn or the casino planet, I agree. And Poe tooling with Hux was funny, but went on a bit too long.

 

But not all the humor was bad. I liked any humor Chewie was involved in, namely going vegan after the Porgs guilt tripped him. I also LOVED the scene where Luke messes with Rey by telling her to close her eyes and sense the force, tickles her hand with a leaf and asks her if she feels the force, she says yes and gets excited, then Luke slaps her hand with the leaf and basically says BS.

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Guest El Chalupacabra

That's not how the Force works!! It's not an absolute, just because Luke at one point was able to sense where his pals were and go find them does not mean that Rey or anyone else would always be able to do the same.

Says you. But there is no reason other than needs of the plot as written by Rian Johnson that the force couldn't work like that.

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Again though, go down the rabbit hole with that. Luke sure as hell couldn't use The Force in Jedi to find Leia when she goes missing after the bike chase. Obi Wan had no idea Anakin had gone to Naboo in Clones or where he was in Sith when he has to stowaway on Padme's ship to Mustafar to find him. If anything Luke being able to use the Force in that manner is the outlier.

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Again though, go down the rabbit hole with that. Luke sure as hell couldn't use The Force in Jedi to find Leia when she goes missing after the bike chase. Obi Wan had no idea Anakin had gone to Naboo in Clones or where he was in Sith when he has to stowaway on Padme's ship to Mustafar to find him. If anything Luke being able to use the Force in that manner is the outlier.

...and Rey is more powerful than Luke, so the rules could change, too.

 

In any event, for me, I still believe the tracking device was more to give Finn something to worry about, than anything else.

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Okay so Im not reading through 100 pages to catch up, so sorrybif this has already been covered. But tracking through hyperspace is new tech? Isnt that exactly how the empire found Yavin, because they tracked the falcon? I mean I guess its possible the falcon never went to hyperspace but that doesnt seem right either. Yavin and Alderaan mustve been in adjacent systems then.

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Again though, go down the rabbit hole with that. Luke sure as hell couldn't use The Force in Jedi to find Leia when she goes missing after the bike chase. Obi Wan had no idea Anakin had gone to Naboo in Clones or where he was in Sith when he has to stowaway on Padme's ship to Mustafar to find him. If anything Luke being able to use the Force in that manner is the outlier.

It's not a unique power. Vader found Obi-Wan in A New Hope. Leia found Luke in The Empire Strikes Back. Heck, Yoda says "This one, a long time have I watched" just after Luke lands on Dagobah in ESB.

 

Though, I'm fine with the untrained Rey getting a beacon. That just seems logical.

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Okay so Im not reading through 100 pages to catch up, so sorrybif this has already been covered. But tracking through hyperspace is new tech? Isnt that exactly how the empire found Yavin, because they tracked the falcon? I mean I guess its possible the falcon never went to hyperspace but that doesnt seem right either. Yavin and Alderaan mustve been in adjacent systems then.

There was a physical homing beacon on the Falcon. Until the ST, ships couldn't be tracked through hyperspace unless something was wrong with them. (That's how the Devastator tracked the Tantive IV. Its hyperdrive was malfunctioning and was "leaking" something that could be traced.)

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Was I the only one mildly annoyed by the Dreadnaught? I mean, do we really have to have a bigger-badder ship in every movie? Wasn't the Star Destroyer from TFA already a big upgrade from the Super Star Destroyer in ROTJ? Not mention we also just had the Death Star-on-steroids with Starkiller. It was a bit of an eyeroll for me.

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Size ranking is Super Star Destroyer > Dreadnought > TFA Star Destroyer > OT / R1 Star Destroyer

 

I liked the Dreadnought as a thing with guns powerful enough to get through any base / planetary shields, but I'm not that keen on some of the technobabble that's creeping in.

 

One interesting thing about the Dreadnought is that it would have arrived with the rest of the First Order fleet and destroyed the Resistance if it had survived (assuming that Snoke's ship doesn't have similar weapons, even though it is as wide as eight Dreadnoughts are long), so destroying it turned out to be the right thing to do (there might have been more than one, but another one didn't appear)

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I stand corrected. But for this guy who doesn't read the visual dictionaries, it seemed that way.

 

Also yeah...technobabble. I don't think they spent any amount of dialogue telling us how scary the ships were before. I hate sounding like "everything should be like the OT or it's not Star Wars", but I think there are reasonable rules to go by to keep a feel to the series and for me that's one of them.

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How exactly do bombers work in zero gravity?

Because gravity exists in outer space in that galaxy. Didn't you notice when Poe was holding for Hux, when the time is right he tells BB-8 to punch it. Suddenly the X-wing takes off at a fast rate of speed straight towards Hux's ship. When it does, BB-8's head flies back in his seat as if he was a on a Six Flags roller coaster because...wind resistance??? :shrug:

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Again though, go down the rabbit hole with that. Luke sure as hell couldn't use The Force in Jedi to find Leia when she goes missing after the bike chase. Obi Wan had no idea Anakin had gone to Naboo in Clones or where he was in Sith when he has to stowaway on Padme's ship to Mustafar to find him. If anything Luke being able to use the Force in that manner is the outlier.

It's not a unique power. Vader found Obi-Wan in A New Hope. Leia found Luke in The Empire Strikes Back. Heck, Yoda says "This one, a long time have I watched" just after Luke lands on Dagobah in ESB.

 

Though, I'm fine with the untrained Rey getting a beacon. That just seems logical.

 

You are right ofcourse, it does happen other times. However my main point that The Force is not an absolute still stands.

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