The Choc Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Well, I mean there are explosions in space in Star Wars, right? There is sound, right? Ships move in ways that should be impossible in space right? Characters stand in bays of ships that are completely open to the vacuum of space, right? This isn't stuff that is new to The Last Jedi or The Force Awakens or even the prequels. This stuff has been the case since 1977, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 It really plays into my point earlier about Rey needing a homing beacon. Sure you can go to lengths to explain it in story, she isn't trained or whatver. But that doesn't even matter. Same here, the reason the bombs can drop isn't cause of any kind of artificial gravity on ships or whatever. It just always seems silly to me when people complain about stuff in new movies that is basically exactly the same as in earlier movies. The laws of physics have no place in Star Wars for the most part and never have. So unless you always complained about there being explosions in space and other things like that you are just being silly complaining about this. Just like complaining about Reys beacon is silly unless you had similar complaints in Jedi when Luke doesn't just find Leia when she is missing and off with Ewoks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 Star Wars complaints are inherently silly, because ultimately these films are for children. Why did Luke kiss hiss sister, why didn't Lule's robot arm clunk to the ground why he became a fart in the wind, why was Anakin's force ghost....ah whatever. I know that's why we all post here, but c'mon. This shit is religion to some people so we have to humor them. It's real stuff. And it matters. Btw Rian Johnson has been accused of sexual misconduct with the childhoods of many lifelong SW fans. somewhere George Lucas is laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 The dreadnaught was so big it created a gravity well around itself. Boom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 How many guards were in Snoke's throne room? I thought there was six. I counted six again last night, but it seems that Rey and Kylo kill more than that. My son thought the same thing. Nevermind. Wookiepedia said there was 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Visually I think that scene would have looked better if the"red curtain" wasn't drawn. That way you have the Red Gaurds contrasted will the black background of space. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Darth Hunter Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 I am confused why the film was marketed with all the red. All the characters dressed in red. The red posters and billboards. Was it to put special focus on that scene? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 The dreadnaught was so big it created a gravity well around itself. Boom.Easiest to attribute things to magnetic fields. Even a dreadnaught isnt big enough to have a substantial gravitational field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 OR IS IT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 No hes right. That dreadnaught isnt as big as your mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 ...OR IS IT!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryn Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Was I the only one mildly annoyed by the Dreadnaught? I mean, do we really have to have a bigger-badder ship in every movie? Wasn't the Star Destroyer from TFA already a big upgrade from the Super Star Destroyer in ROTJ? Not mention we also just had the Death Star-on-steroids with Starkiller. It was a bit of an eyeroll for me. Everything about the First Order reminds of Hasbro's stupid Power of the Force line from the mid-90's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Was I the only one mildly annoyed by the Dreadnaught? I mean, do we really have to have a bigger-badder ship in every movie? Wasn't the Star Destroyer from TFA already a big upgrade from the Super Star Destroyer in ROTJ? Not mention we also just had the Death Star-on-steroids with Starkiller. It was a bit of an eyeroll for me.Everything about the First Order reminds of Hasbro's stupid Power of the Force line from the mid-90's. The idea of the bad guys adding bigger and better weapons has always been there in Star Wars Star Wars has Star Destroyers and a Death Star Empire has a "Super Star Destroyer" that dwarfs the already incredibly large Star Destroyers Jedi has another Death Star even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star This is something that the movies have always done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Okay so Im not reading through 100 pages to catch up, so sorrybif this has already been covered. But tracking through hyperspace is new tech? Isnt that exactly how the empire found Yavin, because they tracked the falcon? I mean I guess its possible the falcon never went to hyperspace but that doesnt seem right either. Yavin and Alderaan mustve been in adjacent systems then.The only thing i can thing of is maybe they placed a tracking device on the falcon, but once it jumps into hyperspace they can't track it until it gets back into regular space. IN ANH's case, from the Death Star's perspective, the Falcon disappeared for a bit, and once it got to the Yavin system, they were then able to see it again. So, it's more like a homing beacon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Jawa Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 The idea of the bad guys adding bigger and better weapons has always been there in Star Wars This is something that the movies have always done. Maybe you're right and I'm biased, but it felt different. Did anyone in ESB point out the Super Star Destroyer and call it by name however many times they talked about the Dreadnaught? Did they say it at all? The Dreadnaught thing had sort of a feeling of product placement to me. As for the bombs thing: yep, physics doesn't matter in SW, but the explanation that the bomber has artificial gravity (which it clearly does) which starts the "fall" of the bombs, is perfectly good for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Darth Hunter Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Okay so Im not reading through 100 pages to catch up, so sorrybif this has already been covered. But tracking through hyperspace is new tech? Isnt that exactly how the empire found Yavin, because they tracked the falcon? I mean I guess its possible the falcon never went to hyperspace but that doesnt seem right either. Yavin and Alderaan mustve been in adjacent systems then. The only thing i can thing of is maybe they placed a tracking device on the falcon, but once it jumps into hyperspace they can't track it until it gets back into regular space. IN ANH's case, from the Death Star's perspective, the Falcon disappeared for a bit, and once it got to the Yavin system, they were then able to see it again. So, it's more like a homing beacon.You nailed it. That's exactly how it happened. Tarkin: "Are they away?" Vader: "They have just made the jump into hyperspace." Tarkin: "You're sure the homing beacon is secure aboard their ship? I'm taking an awful risk, Vader. This had better work." We also see an example of this in AOTC when Obi Wan chucks a homing beacon at Slave I and is able to track Jango Fett to Geonosis. (By the way, Leia knew the Falcon was being tracked. So why fly straight to Yavin? Go somewhere else and switch ships or something.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonAtila Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Wow I didnt Watch TLJ yet for personal reasons, and you guys are not making me excited about it. None of the reactions are making me excited about watching this. I had high high hopes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 The idea of the bad guys adding bigger and better weapons has always been there in Star Wars This is something that the movies have always done. Maybe you're right and I'm biased, but it felt different. Did anyone in ESB point out the Super Star Destroyer and call it by name however many times they talked about the Dreadnaught? Did they say it at all? The Dreadnaught thing had sort of a feeling of product placement to me. As for the bombs thing: yep, physics doesn't matter in SW, but the explanation that the bomber has artificial gravity (which it clearly does) which starts the "fall" of the bombs, is perfectly good for me. It's just cause you were a kid. You are right in that they didn't mention the name of the Super Star Destroyer over and over but its introduction is clearly there to make is seem much larger and more imposing than the other Star Destroyers when in Star Wars the movie literally opens with showing how large and imposing a Star Destroyer is. People are just jaded now "oh an even bigger ship?" then rolls the eyes. Fact is Star Wars has always done this. Just that when you are a kid you actually will think "holy crap look how big that ship is! Wow, how will the rebels win now??". Just like in this movie, a kid will think "wow that dreadnaught is crazy!" Whereas an adult kinda knows its just another ship for them to blow up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Wicket Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 I hope we will see one of the First Order Star Destroyers go to plaid in Episode IX. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Darth Hunter Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 "Mega maid..." Cue dramatic music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryn Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Was I the only one mildly annoyed by the Dreadnaught? I mean, do we really have to have a bigger-badder ship in every movie? Wasn't the Star Destroyer from TFA already a big upgrade from the Super Star Destroyer in ROTJ? Not mention we also just had the Death Star-on-steroids with Starkiller. It was a bit of an eyeroll for me. Everything about the First Order reminds of Hasbro's stupid Power of the Force line from the mid-90's. The idea of the bad guys adding bigger and better weapons has always been there in Star Wars Star Wars has Star Destroyers and a Death Star Empire has a "Super Star Destroyer" that dwarfs the already incredibly large Star Destroyers Jedi has another Death Star even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star This is something that the movies have always done. No, I mean they're like amped versions of their OT Empire analogues. I can understand and tech evolution (like comparing WWII battleships to modern era), but their designs take a "more pouches" approach. They have even attached "mega" to the new designs. (Back to OT, I'll never buy that the Death Star II was larger and more power than the 1st, just because they say so. It didn't seem at all demonstrably so.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Jawa Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 (Back to OT, I'll never buy that the Death Star II was larger and more power than the 1st, just because they say so. It didn't seem at all demonstrably so.)Good point and I agree. That's going in my head canon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 Wow I didnt Watch TLJ yet for personal reasons, and you guys are not making me excited about it. None of the reactions are making me excited about watching this. I had high high hopes.I said it was the best Star Wars movie yet. Don't let these wet blankets dissuade you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Darth Hunter Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 (Back to OT, I'll never buy that the Death Star II was larger and more power than the 1st, just because they say so. It didn't seem at all demonstrably so.)Good point and I agree. That's going in my head canon.Did anyone ever actually say that in ROTJ? Or is that just something that was written in some visual dictionary years later? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted December 26, 2017 Share Posted December 26, 2017 The opening crawl. The 2nd paragraph "Little does Luke know that the GALACTIC EMPIRE has secretly begun construction on a new armored space station even more powerful than the first dreaded Death Star" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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