By that logic, in a pre-outing of sex offenders like Cosby, Weinstein, etc... Just because no one ever came forward that would mean it didn't technically happen.
What if the female version of abuse is so strong, it would take a hell of a long time for any man to come forward because of the extreme fear of being known as that guy that didn't have sex with his boss, teacher, wtv but instead was a complete god knows what who pressed charges?
1. Accusations of abuse are as old as time. Are you proposing there are mass swaths of men who have been so horrible abused by women that they don't speak out? Okay, I can't prove that isn't a thing-- but you can't prove that it is. Again, women speaking up is not a new thing. People spoke out about Cosby and Weinstein literally decades ago, and they were dismissed. I' m relatively certain that if this female on male abuse existed as you suggest, we'd have heard of something. I don't deny that it happens-- but no where near the number of men abusing women.
Don't you wanna punch this guy in the face already? and it's just a hypothetical situation I'm bringing up here! That's how powerful female abuse can be as well! Where as a man you are also utterly shamed mostly even by other men for even thinking you're allowed to feel violated.
I'm saying it's equal.
It is categorically not.
Maybe these violent attacks ate mostly caused by men, but how would you know?
Because there are no battered-husband shelters. There are no women in power positions that have dozens of men accusing them of harassment or worse. Because in my own private life at least a third of the women I know have suffered some form of harassment or abuse. Because of all the men I know only two have a history of abuse and both of them were abused by a parent when they were a child. Mostly though, because the statistics, the legal proof, every study ever made on the topic, and the fact that we are now in a climate where it is seemingly safe to come out (hence all the news being what it is) and still, the vast majority of these cases are men on woman violence.
Some pie chart from the last thirty years doesn't paint the whole picture of male/female interaction in all history.
No-- but a pie chart covering the whole picture of male/female interaction would!
What if grown women have a tendency to molest young boys, or other girls young and old?
It happens. But again-- at nowhere near the same numbers as does the reverse.
And thus get away with it more because the microscope is pointed elsewhere, in the obvious dark alleys and parking garages women dread being accosted by men in?
I never said we live in a matriarchal world where women are covering up their abuse.
This is EXACTLY what you are saying. For what you propose to exist, it would have to be this situation.
I believe it's an equal world with abusive matriarchs as well as abusive patriarchs.
And I'm sure some MRAs will agree with you. Tex should be along any minute to agree. Maybe even Justus!
You probably misunderstood that line.
No. I didn't. I'm a pretty sharp guy even with my wacky liberal leanings.
I was hinting that maybe a history of male victims is being covered up by chauvinist males themselves. Now that would be hella ironic and I believe its the truth.
You also believe LA rich people ride around in helicopters to spy on common folks for movie ideas, several conspiracy theories, and some pretty interesting thoughts about how gravity works if I recall correctly.
Another thing, how do you know if there weren't more female producers in Hollywood there wouldn't be just as many female sex offenders?
Maybe there would be.
You're touching on the exact reason why you're wrong and not realizing it.
You're taking this as me attacking men, which is the gut reaction that most MRAs and insecure dudes have. I'm not saying it's man's nature to do these things. It's not about gender, it's about power.
The Louis CK case is a good way to illustrate this. People want to shame him for showing his junk and yanking it to women. That's not the problem-- the problem is his audiences didn't really consent. They didn;t outright tell him no either because he was in a position of power.
Kevin Spacey has gone after other men, not women. Less to do with his gender, more to do with power because he was a straight up predator on the set of House of Cards, of which he was the star an EP. He could fire anyone who refused his advances.
We could go to any work place sexual harassment case, Anita Brown and Clarence Thomas-- go anywhere you want. The common factor in all these cases-- ESPECIALLY the ones where women have abused men, and it's almost always a case of the offender having some sort of power, influence, or control over their victim.
Simple as that.
You know what Spider-Man says. Power corrupts. Sexual harassment comes from when the offender decides they are above the law/manners/whatever and can act on their base desires.
Get it? POWER.
Now, why is it mostly men? Because this is a patriarchy. I'm sure Poe, and Tex and Justus will come in and say otherwise, but this is a country founded by powerful white men. That is a fact. No one but politically connected white men signed the Constitution. Everyone else has had to fight for equal rights and voting power.
On paper, in law, today in the here and now, we are all equal. But in practice, you only have to go back 50 years to see unequal rights to minorities. Less than a hundred for women. It takes a long time for those power dynamics to even out.
This isn't even political. All the Hollywood bigshots being accused are known liberals. Most of then are rich white dudes. Cosby doesn't fit that mark-- but Cosby was literally one of the first cross-over black stars in Hollywood to get the same paydays white actors got. The power corrupted him. (Hopefully Sydney Poitier is clean!)
Women may now legally have the same rights as men, but they have a fraction of the power.
A dozen spoke out against Cosby over a decade ago and nothing happened. Hannibal Buress tweets a joke, and Cosby's world crumbles.
Weinstein has conspiracy-level payouts and legal teams working to keep dozens of women silent for years, Kevin Spacey has ONE male accuser and his world crumbles.
Even as victims men still have a louder voice and more power.
So THAT's why I don';t buy for one second there are an equal amount of women abuses. It makes zero sense.
Stats mean ****. Stats taken in the winter will show that the world is generally cold. Stats taken in the summer will show that the world is generally hot.
If science, numbers, and statistics don't count then literally whatever you make up is the truth and there's no convincing you otherwise? That is ridiculous.
You never lived in Sumeria, Ancient Greece, etc...you only know their ecstasies.
What the **** does that even mean?