And I said I wouldn't Lyceum again...
On a more serious note, does anyone out there really believe that Hollywood wasn't rife with this kind of thing and has been almost since the beginning?
Are we thinking that Hollywood is somehow worse than the rest of the world? We see Hollywood, or politics as these playgrounds for behavior to make note of, but that's because by their very nature they are in the spotlight.
There are countless industries, or just regular walks of life where this behavior is sadly as common.
Pences solution is not practical or healthy. Being alone with a woman who isnt your wife, mother, or sister is not improper, its perfectly normal, because adults can recognize people of the opposite gender as colleagues and peers, not objects of sexual lust. If youre unwilling to be alone with a person of any other demographic other than your own, you have a serious issue.
If I recall, it was just about dining with a woman who is not his wife. Which is hardly impractical. I'm racking my brain to think of the last time I've had dinner alone with a woman that wasn't either a romantic interest or a relative and can't think of any that went beyond literally grabbing a bite when a coworker happened to be present (though I'll grant that I rarely eat out in the first place). Going to dinner alone with someone of another sex is a fairly intimate. And avoiding the appearance of impropriety is itself always a good habit to get into.
I have spent the vast majority of my life having most of my closest friends being female. My best friend is actually my ex-wife. We have lunch at least once a week. There is no sexual relationship with any of these women, nor is it inappropriate. This is possible because I am adult and capable of not automatically sexualizing every woman I see.
To say it is inappropriate smacks of insecurity. My girlfriend (whom I live with in sin for many years now, don't tell Pence) isn't bothered by this because she trusts me. Whenever I see somebody losing their mind over their S.O. having friendships with a member of the opposite sex there is always either a history of cheating, crazy insecurity, or both.
Just take a look at this thread. The world would be a whole lot better if men shifted more towards erring on the side of propriety than the sewer of what the current culture calls for in men and that leads to whole cultures of sexual harassment where you dig deep and wonder how it got that bad. I'm all for a little more quaintness in our views towards women. Bring such notions back and celebrate them for goodness sake. Teach it to young boys. Because if they internalize that women are to be treated respectfully and marriage vows prized and held sacred, that's a damn good thing for both men and women.
OR, you teach young boys that woman are people, just like men, and that everyone should be treated with respect. To teach boys that all women must be avoided unless they are your mother or potential mate makes things worse. It creates the idea that women are only good for certain roles. That makes for having messed up views on women as they go off into the real world and may have to interact with women on occasion.
I get your point, that maybe a instilling more restraint into our courting rituals would make for less strife-- I don't totally disagree, but this sounds a little too much like a "make America great again" callback to the golden age where men wore hats and were gentleman-- and while there's little bits of truth there, that era was not so great for women in general.
If you think that sexual harassment, rape, and unequal rights for women wasn't WORSE back then, you're not the historian I thought you were.
At worst, Pence's behavior marks as quaint.
Moving past what appears to be your animosity toward anyone who is (apparently) deeply religious, Pence's method is no different than anyone who will not consciously place themselves in situations where there's a risk of temptation, whether the temptation is sex, alcohol, drugs, food, gambling--whatever. That is not an antiquated view, but common senses framed by a supportive belief.
Here's what you guys are missing about Pence... If somebody wants to run their life in a quaint or antiquated way, that's totally fine. If it works for him, or you, I may not agree with it, but that's certainly your right.
But Pence doesn't see it that way. Pence has made it clear if he had his way he'd legislate his point of view onto others. I know your side likes to take the Gay Re-education camp stuff and spin as leftist propaganda or fake news, or whatever we call it now, but if you look at his congressional voting record there's a pretty clear narrative.
Poe-- I know we've talked about this before. You will back a candidate that's close to your stance even if they say something ridiculous like ROUND UP THE GAYS! Your reasoning has been, that could never actually happen, so it's a not-issue.
As a liberal Star Trek utopist Hollywood douchebag I can't get past moral character. So, yeah, no Pence for me. The fact he believes certain things I find abhorant makes me not trust him, and question the way he runs his own life. Because character, beliefs, and actions go hand in hand.
Its rather odd for Pence's personal guide to life to be ridiculed in a thread (and at a time) when innumerable members of the most self-righteous group in Western society--left wing entertainers--are (finally) being exposed on a wide scale for being what many always were: a legion of the most immoral, abuse people in society. Men raping women, men raping men, men raping children, women molesting boys, men groping men, news media mouthpieces attacking victims for calling out this ingrained culture...anything goes (and you still see closed ranks unwilling to expose true monsters), yet Pence's beliefs are a problem?
Glenn Beck, is that you!?
Women love to pout. Just like kids. I find it funny that so many of them demonize men when they really just want to get ****ed hard.
Men can be pigs, no argument there, but I really think that the bulk of the complaints and accusations come from complicit women who feel like they got jipped on the final cut and want to bitch about it.
What's interesting about recent developments is that the high heeled, red nailed, fully manicured types are bonding with the fat lonely lesbians. They all feel left out.
The REAL women are those that find happiness their own way. They are the ones that helped vote Hillary out of the white house.
Okay. We made some peace. But, why do you have to be like this? This is an absolutely monstrous thing to say and you know it. Don't be a troll. Do better.