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Yeah, from a business standpoint they'd be crazy not to. But on some level, it just comes across as lazy writing to me. No integrity. I could have respected these movies a lot more if they had at least tried to venture into uncharted waters.

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I would like to point out that George could easily give 10 completely different takes on what his idea really was, and be completely sure on each one.

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I personally agree with that, and have the opposite problem - I hate when the technology is explained. Which was a total downside of the EU. Star Wars has always been more magical/fantasy than science

I agree with The Choc (and JJ) and unless I'm misunderstanding, I don't think he meant from a business standpoint - I read it as an artistic standpoint. I don't think it's lazy writing they are cool designs - maybe in large part because they became cemented in our collective minds as cool from a young age - so use them.

 

From a storytelling perspective it adds realism to me. Back to the Future had flying cars and all kinds of insanity happening a generation in the future. I get it that it's comedy, but we know now that it was clearly unrealistic. Things don't change that fast...usually. So a generation later in Star Wars, you've got the same vehicles. Makes sense.

 

What would have been more distracting/unrealistic for me is a bunch of all new stuff - all new toys, kids!

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Like I am usually so embarrassed to share these things but for the sake of my argument here I'll share it.

 

When I first read the theory somewhere online that Snoke was Anakins father (and possibly Rey's) it instantly became my favorite theory. That nightbi got pretty high and dreamed up a scene in Snokes throne room and imagined myself having chills watching that scene in the theater. Snoke reveals that he is an Intergalactic Traveler. That he is a rare, possibly unique person who as been able to travel to another galaxy, because it takes some huge manipulation of the force. After watching Starkiller devour avsun in TFA, my mind got to thinking on a higher level, and realized the possibilities are endless for the new trilogy. And you can still have familiar faces like storm troopers or the droids.

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Interesting theory.

 

I personally think Snoke is a force vampire of some sort and I think he feeds off the force energy of force users, and he wants Rey so he can feed off her to fully heal himself.

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I like the two above theories, and I think these movies really need something like that. As of now, the villians of the sequel films are too generic. I want to see Snoke given his own identity, something that sets him apart from the sith. The sith are supposed to be extinct now, right? That's what we're being told. That was supposed to be the purpose behind the prophecy/chosen-one stuff the PT went on and on about, right? But none that carries any weight for me anymore. Did the galaxy even need a chosen-one to exterminate the Sith if it is teaming with bad guys who are practically clones of them? It makes that whole plot point look completely redundant. At least if the new threats looked different somehow then I could buy that the extermination of the sith was a significant event, one deserving of all the hype that the prior movies created for it.

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I don't think it's lazy writing they are cool designs - maybe in large part because they became cemented in our collective minds as cool from a young age - so use them.

 

I've been struggling with trying to find the right words to convey my problems with the direction the sequel trilogy chose to take, but I think this comment gets to the heart of it. I remember when TPM was released, and reading all the complaints on message boards like this one. Now, I know that there are many reasons why fans don't like that movie, but I do distinctly remember some complaining that it didn't feel like a SW movie because it was absent in all those familiar things (like storm troopers, star destroyers, etc.) that have come to be associated with Star Wars by the collective public. I can't help but wonder if that movie would have been better received if it did somehow have those things in it, despite the fact that from a storytelling point of view that would have been inappropriate given that the film takes place in an era that predates the formation of the Empire. I get the feeling sometimes that aesthetics and recapturing some kind of nostalgic feeling from these movies are bigger priorities of fans than the actually story that's being told. I think that's what's bugging me.

 

I would have liked to see the galaxy rise from the ashes of the Empire, to see how it grew from that experience, and encounter new threats and face new problems. That would actually make SW an evolving story. That's what a good story should do, evolve. But that seems to be the last thing that most SW fans (or writers) want.

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The thing is Star Wars is a type of story and it's the moments rather than the actual story itself. It's Luke looking at the twin suns, its the saber flying into Rey's hand. The bad guys are going to have soldiers and ships and weapons and all that. Why not just go with something that we know looks awesome and people love. Look at the OT, we barely knew what the Empire was. We didn't know how they controlled the galaxy. What we knew is that they were bad guys who were trying to kill the characters we loved and blow up planets. Thats what Disney and JJ, and I think especially Kasdan realized and were right about. How the First Order formed, where Snoke came from and all of that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all to the vast, vast majority of the audience. Star Wars is best when its relatively simple. Bad guys are trying to kill or capture the good guys, trying to blow stuff up, trying to turn good guys bad and the good guys are trying escape or stop the bad guys. Exactly what the bad guys motivation or origin is, it just doesn't matter.

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it's the moments rather than the actual story itself.

 

So its pornography? Just kidding. I get what your saying. SW is more essence than story. I just wish these movies would at least try to aim higher. I feel like I'm one of the few who actually cares about the story more than all the stuff you just mentioned. I get more fulfillment from a satisfying conclusion than from another movie, or from the entertainment aspect of it. I do think a gifted writer could make SW different and make the audience care about it. But as it is, it feels like SW has become 100% fan service now.

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I;m not saying story doesn't matter, I'm saying that Star Wars works best with a tight focus on the main characters rather than trying to tell a large, galaxy wide story. It works best when that kind of large story is going on, but we focus on the main characters inside that story and only get glimpses of the larger story.

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The thing is Star Wars is a type of story and it's the moments rather than the actual story itself. It's Luke looking at the twin suns, its the saber flying into Rey's hand. The bad guys are going to have soldiers and ships and weapons and all that. Why not just go with something that we know looks awesome and people love. Look at the OT, we barely knew what the Empire was. We didn't know how they controlled the galaxy. What we knew is that they were bad guys who were trying to kill the characters we loved and blow up planets. Thats what Disney and JJ, and I think especially Kasdan realized and were right about. How the First Order formed, where Snoke came from and all of that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter at all to the vast, vast majority of the audience. Star Wars is best when its relatively simple. Bad guys are trying to kill or capture the good guys, trying to blow stuff up, trying to turn good guys bad and the good guys are trying escape or stop the bad guys. Exactly what the bad guys motivation or origin is, it just doesn't matter.

While that is true.. Star Wars always hinted at depth. Even though the moments (twin suns, telekinesis stuff etc), and lazer swords, blowing planets up, and simplistic mythic story telling are the crux of what makes Star Wars... I always felt like it hinted at something much deeper. There was a metaphysical current running through everything, which is alluded to often but never the main focus. Obviously I'm talking about the Force yes....but its more than that... it is also the lessons that the force presents... the little nuggets of wisdom that Obi-Wan or Yoda give that could be read a little deeper than as initially presented. Even Palpatine had cool scenes with these moments of insight into the philisophical/metaphysical. Those things were always what drew me to Star Wars in the first place: The wisdom, mythology and mystery... and a lot of it isn't in any specific dialogue or on celluloid, but for some reason it permeates the whole saga. That is what always drew me in. That and a boy who gets to wield a lazer sword.

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That;s not really true, Kennedy has said that they didn't throw George's ideas away and that the changes from what George gave them to the actual movie was not much more than would occur with any other lengthy development process. Just no one really believed her.

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But the reason we thought that was because Disney had told us he had not been involved in anything and had decided to not use any of his ideas and went in a new direction. I'm surprised Hidalgo is bringing this up now.

 

I guess when Force Awakens came out that was partially true - they didn't use any of us ideas and started somewhere else. They couldn't really say that some of Lucas's ideas would be used in Episode 8 at the time because it'd potentially be a spoiler.

 

Explains why he didn't like Force Awakens but seemed to like Last Jedi as well.

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I like TLJ because when you got a scene where DJ is telling Finn and Rose that the same people who sell the First Order their weapons are the ones who sell The Resistance their weapons it makes the fight for good more desperate. It makes you dig deeper, like we've been doing here on nightly. Its the theme of TLJ.

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