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This was me through the entirety of RC's post lol  

Jim Carrey suffers from super hero fatigues.  

That's me through pretty much all of RC's posts!

I still say Dark World is the worst. IM3 at least has some (brief) good moments. Dark World has nothing redeeming. 
 

Look at it this way: Dark World was so bad that they realized they had to fundamentally change the character for the next solo outing.

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IM3 isn't even the worst IM.    The ending sucks so that probably takes it down a lot and I don't hate the Mandarin in the film as much as the rest of the world. 

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Just now, Jedigoat said:

IM3 isn't even the worst IM.    The ending sucks so that probably takes it down a lot and I don't hate the Mandarin in the film as much as the rest of the world. 

Which is the worst IM? 
 

IM1?

IM2?

IM3?

Avengers?

Age of Ultron?

Civil War?

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Iron Man 1 is by far the best of the three Iron Man movies.  Iron Man 3 is by far the worst MCU film ever, save for Dark World.   Dark World a close second to IM 3, in terms of wretchedness. 

 

My personal philosophy is that all you need is the first of each of the superhero stand alones (EG Ironman 1, Thor 1, Hulk 1, GOTG1 Antman 1, etc), except maybe Captain America.  It seems like the sequels to each superhero stand alones just fall flat relative to their first movie. 

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No way.   As a standalone film, it's good, IMO.  Granted, I haven't seen it in 3 or 4 years.  I have no complaints, other than the ending. 

But I don't like the marvel formula.   I like the idea of a shared universe but damn near all of them are too cookie cutter.  One of the best things IM3 has going for it, which I always appreciate, is being out of the formula. 

Thor 2 is boring, unengaging.  Bad dialogue, bad story, bad characters. 

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Personal taste I suppose, but I cannot stand IM3.  Terrible as both MCU, and a movie in general.  

Dark World is a close second to IM3 in terms of bad films. 

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On our recent rewatch of almost all of the MCU movies (other than some of the most recent ones that my wife remembered much more), I was actually pleasantly surprised by The Dark World.  It's still at the bottom end of the movies for me, definitely, but it wasn't as hard to watch as I remembered.

Both Iron Man 2 and 3 are far behind the first, but I like 3 better than 2.  Like Goat, I enjoyed it for being a fundamentally different type of movie than the first two.  The ending was definitely the biggest problem to me since it was clear, even at that time, that Tony wouldn't stop being Iron Man completely.

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I think my problem with 3 is that it doesn't feel like a part of the MCU at all. It's post Avengers and you're telling my they get Rhodey to bodyguard the president with his armor painted like Captain America instead of it just being Captain America?

Once they team up, these solo movies have to move fast and be isolated to explain why the whole team wouldn't show up. Like Iron Man DID show up in Homecoming. Tony is missing for days upon days after his house is blown up and no one comes to help?

This is also where the Iron Man tech started being magic, which I know the later movies all followed suit, but I never liked that. But it is also inconsistent. Tony tells Rhodey all his magic suits are coded to him so James can't use one. And yet they throw the President in one, AND in IM 2 James takes the MK2.

Then you have Tony running around half the movie with a gun. I liked not-Mandarin, but overall it did not feel like a post-Avengers MCU.

Dark World at least tied into the overall plan to build up to Infinity War. I'm not here to defend it, it's still bottom of the barrel-- I just think IM3 is worse.

I have to admit too that Black Panther was a little less re-watchable as some of the others. I still like it, but there were stretches that had me a little bored. That said, Killmonger is the best villain in the MCU after Thanos. There's rumors that they are bringing him back to be Black Panther in the sequel since Boseman died. I'd accept that, Michael B Jordan carried the first one, and almost stole the show. THAT said, I think that Okoye would be just as suitable of a replacement.

That concludes my great MCU rewatch, save for the Spider-Man movies which are not on Disney+ because Sony.

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I do remember thinking in IM3, 'Where is fuck is everybody?'  Worldwide news headline, Tony's house blows up, and nobody shows up.  That's a problem and you'd think that the braintrust would have stepped in and said something.  I put it on them not necessarily on the shoulders of the actual film, since the productions are crafted that way.  

Outside of that, I loved that it had nothing to do with the MCU.  

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I didn’t hate it just because it was outside of the MCU over-arching story. I don’t have a huge issue with that— just contextualize it and don’t do things so over the top that logic would say SHIELD or The Avengers would show up.

Ant-Man did a great job of this. Scott even says at one point “We need to call the Avengers.” And Pym said “No, here’s why...”

And in Ant-Man and Wasp, Scott was on house arrest due to his actions in Civil War. Neither of those movies were explicitly part of the Infinity War build up, but they were at least contextually in line.

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6 minutes ago, Tank said:

I didn’t hate it just because it was outside of the MCU over-arching story. I don’t have a huge issue with that— just contextualize it and don’t do things so over the top that logic would say SHIELD or The Avengers would show up.

Ant-Man did a great job of this. Scott even says at one point “We need to call the Avengers.” And Pym said “No, here’s why...”

And in Ant-Man and Wasp, Scott was on house arrest due to his actions in Civil War. Neither of those movies were explicitly part of the Infinity War build up, but they were at least contextually in line.

Right.  I know what you meant there, lol. 

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Update:

1. Captain America: Civil War
2. Endgame
3. Infinity War
4. Captain America: Winter Soldier
5. Wandavision
6. Captain Marvel
7. Iron Man
8. Spider-Man: Homecoming
9. Black Panther
10. Thor: Ragnarok

11. Falcon and The Winter Soldier
12. Guardians of the Galaxy
13. Avengers
14. Spider-Man: Far From Home
15. Ant-Man 
16. Ant-Man and the Wasp
17. Age of Ultron
18. Captain America: First Avenger

19. Guardians of the Galaxy 2
20. Thor
21. Iron Man 2
22. Doctor Strange

23. Incredible Hulk
24. Thor: Dark World
25. Iron Man 3

FATWS has placed at the top of the must see, but below god-tier.

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Oooh - including the excellent tv series we have had! I like it!    And the next 2 are the ones I was looking forward to the most when the list was announced - Loki is always great fun for me and "What if..." storylines are something I am very keen on.   Star Wars did a great set with the Infinities comics back in the 90's.

But I digress...

Here is my list, although I happily admit a few of these are deserving of a re-watch at some point:

 

1. Thor: Ragnarok (So much fun!  Love this film!)

2. Captain America: Winter Soldier

3. Infinity War

4. Avengers Assemble

5. Endgame

6. Captain America: Civil War

7. Iron Man

8. Guardians of the Galaxy

9. WandaVision

10. Spider-Man: Homecoming

11. Falcon & the Winter Soldier

12. Thor (I enjoyed it - great fun!  I know it's not high on other lists looking back through the pages, but I think it was an important win in Phase 1)

13. Captain America: First Avenger

14. Ant-Man

15. Iron Man 3 (I enjoyed this - Ben Kingsley elevated it (cinema was full of laughs with the reveal), and I've always enjoyed Guy Pearce since the superb Memento)

16. Age of Ultron (think this might be a bit higher after an overdue re-watch)

17. Black Panther

18. Doctor Strange (anything with a time travel / time altering type of element in it's story get's bonus points from me!)

19. Captain Marvel

20. Ant-Man and the Wasp

21. Guardians of the Galaxy 2

22. Thor: Dark World

23. Spider-man: Far From Home (think I need a re-watch here.    At the time I just didn't enjoy it, found it a bit predicable, but maybe it was just too soon after Endgame)

24. Iron Man 2

25. Incredible Hulk (opening 10-15mins is quite fun, but goes dramatically downhill from there for me)

 

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