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What are the odds we see a foce-ghost Anakin play a role in Kylo's character arc?


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It's possible. It's even more possible now without Carrie Fisher. In the dark recesses of that black hole I'd like to call a mind that I have, since TFA I've considered it possible for Luke and Leia to die once per movie, but it was to serve the fundamental purpose to drive Kylo's character towards and then away from the darkside (and to pass the torch to new characters). In TFA he kills Han, pushing him towards the darkside. In ep8 Luke gets killed trying to turn him back, and in ep9 Leia finally succeeds. This arc always made the most sense to me.

Since poor Carries passing, it seems like this arc is highly unlikely, unless they resort to recasting or CG character, which IS possible, but more likely to be written out somehow. So, if the big plan all along with Kylo was to use his family to redeem him, the next logical step is to use grandpa Anakin in episode 9 to help serve that purpose. TFA did establish some kind of vague personal connection between them already. I'm of course referring to the shakespeare-esque "grandpa show me that power again" scene With Vader's burnt helm. It seems like they were going somewhere with that in the future installments, anyways. Force ghosts exist, and Anakin's in particular has been established in a small, ambiguous way in TFA. To me, it seems like that was an idea that they wanted to use, but explored it in an indirect way because they wanted to avoid the prequels like its AIDS.

Has Disney moved passed it's prequel phobia? Is it possible to see force ghost Anakin? If so, who is going to play it? Recasting a force ghost Anakin isn't the worst idea in the world. The upside of not having Hayden in your movie is offset a bit by a having to recast a different actor, but with some hollywood magic and effects, editing an incorporeal character is easier to get a way with. So yes, it's possible to have cake and eat it too.

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I never thought we'd see Kylo come back to the good side. Personally I think he will kill Luke and Leia and Snoke and accomplish what Vader never did: become the master.


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I preferred Anakin's ghost coming into the story as an illusion from Snoke to keep Kylo Ren on the dark path.


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Where did Disney say they got over this phobia. And if they really hot.over it, why not cast HC? I personally would love it because I wanna see the whole series connected.

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References to clones, Mustafar, Mon Mothma, Jimmy Smits. It's connected. It's directly referenced. It's not hidden, there's just no reason to be HEY REMEMBER DEXTER JETTSTER AND GEONOSIS AND ROGER ROGER AND SYFO DIAS?

Stop. The prequels aren't ideal but they're part of the lore. That's all they need to be.
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But Kylo isn't gonna be the main bad anyway. That's a job for Rey. She's going dark, I can feel it. And it'll be up to An estranged Finn to bring her back at some point.

It's strange that we all seem to think there is going to be a resolution in this trilogy. I mean, to think that make sense given that's the format for Star Wars gone by.. But I remember hearing that Disneys intention was to have a Star Wars films continue to come out till we are all old and grey and/or it stops making money. With that in mind, is it entirely safe to assume there will be a happy resolution at the end of IX? Maybe they're playing the long game and will turn the saga into a much longer narrative.. Much like a TV series but with films.
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I.say they cant, cause eventually star wars will.have fallen far behind I'm it's futuristic technology. Well have gone past star wars and it'll become.irrelevant.

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If we have lightsabers and space travel past lightspeed by the time I am old and grey, color me shocked.


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Lucas replacing Shaw with Christensen in Return of the Jedi would make recasting an Anakin force ghost make no sense.

 

With the usual caveat about "casuals" not caring about stuff like that, of course.



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But Kylo isn't gonna be the main bad anyway. That's a job for Rey. She's going dark, I can feel it. And it'll be up to An estranged Finn to bring her back at some point.

It's strange that we all seem to think there is going to be a resolution in this trilogy. I mean, to think that make sense given that's the format for Star Wars gone by.. But I remember hearing that Disneys intention was to have a Star Wars films continue to come out till we are all old and grey and/or it stops making money. With that in mind, is it entirely safe to assume there will be a happy resolution at the end of IX? Maybe they're playing the long game and will turn the saga into a much longer narrative.. Much like a TV series but with films.

Rey going "dark" seems exceedingly unlikely. And all good stories need some kind of resolution. 


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But Kylo isn't gonna be the main bad anyway. That's a job for Rey. She's going dark, I can feel it. And it'll be up to An estranged Finn to bring her back at some point.

It's strange that we all seem to think there is going to be a resolution in this trilogy. I mean, to think that make sense given that's the format for Star Wars gone by.. But I remember hearing that Disneys intention was to have a Star Wars films continue to come out till we are all old and grey and/or it stops making money. With that in mind, is it entirely safe to assume there will be a happy resolution at the end of IX? Maybe they're playing the long game and will turn the saga into a much longer narrative.. Much like a TV series but with films.

Rey going "dark" seems exceedingly unlikely. And all good stories need some kind of resolution. 

 

3840 × 2160 seems like it would be adequate here.


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If this happens, it needs to be Hayden.  Will piss me off if it is not.



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It would make no sense. Anakin as a force ghost is "good."
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Very low, I hope. What Driver said. So... Anakin turns to the dark side again in the afterlife? I wanna see THAT movie.



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Using an Anakin force ghost for such a pivotal moment doesn't display much faith in the new characters to carry on the story. Aside from his Vader worship, Anakin doesn't really have any part to play in Ren's story. . .if he can kill his own father, I can't see what Anakin can do to convince him otherise.  And I'd question why Anakin would show up later and not before he put a blade in Han's chest honestly. 

 

I doubt we'll ever see Anakin on the big screen again aside from an unlikely prequel re-release. His story is done. We will see Vader on screen again, but that's hardly surprising considering he is probably the most recognizable movie character of all time. 


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It would make no sense. Anakin as a force ghost is "good."


It makes sense if the latest version of RotJ's ending is official. If you're arguing against that, it's one thing (and I agree), but it makes no sense to see Hayden as Anakin's ghost there and then the next time we see him he's aged.

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Which version of the ghost is a moot point. The character of Anakin was redeemed. As much as I argued in the early TFA days that Luke going dark would invalidate ROTJs ending, so would Anakin's force ghost being bad.



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I thought we were talking about Anakin's Force ghost helping to redeem Kylo? So Anakin would be good? 



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Oh well that's cool.

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I was just saying that if Anakin shows up as a Force Ghost, it should be Hayden.



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I'd be very cool with ghost Hayden Anakin trying to turn Kylo good. Especially if it means Kylo stays bad.



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If they did it, and it was Hayden, if they write him stellar dialog, AND he acts the crap out of it-- that could redeem a lot.
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Using an Anakin force ghost for such a pivotal moment doesn't display much faith in the new characters to carry on the story. Aside from his Vader worship, Anakin doesn't really have any part to play in Ren's story. . .if he can kill his own father, I can't see what Anakin can do to convince him otherise.  And I'd question why Anakin would show up later and not before he put a blade in Han's chest honestly. 
 
I doubt we'll ever see Anakin on the big screen again aside from an unlikely prequel re-release. His story is done. We will see Vader on screen again, but that's hardly surprising considering he is probably the most recognizable movie character of all time.

Well, they had no problem using an old character (Han) to drive the overall story AND play a role in Kylo's character in TFA.

Kylo didn't think too highly of Han as a father. He said as much. He clearly idolizes his grandfather; I can accept the fact maybe the force spirit of his idolizations could cause Kylo to do some soul-searching if he told him how much being Darth Vader sucked.

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I really see an argument for force ghost anybody returning in the ST because the whole force ghost thing for the most part doesn't even.make.sense. it's the.biggest hole in SW lore, more than anything. If there are no force ghosts in this trilogy it would be such a huge hole, I just couldnt get over it. Does it have to be Anakin? No, although I would literally **** my pants. It could be Luke, but I just dont want him to die. I cant stand the thought.


Edited by RamonAtila, 18 February 2017 - 07:44 PM.


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If they did it, and it was Hayden, if they write him stellar dialog, AND he acts the crap out of it-- that could redeem a lot.


Good one!



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