Guest Posted October 29, 2020 Share Posted October 29, 2020 In primaries here you have to choose a party, but not for the general. That seems way more than undemocratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Skywalker Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I love that I only have to declare for the Presidential primary here. However, the Democratic primary still relies on a caucus system which I do not have frigging time for. So I usually declare Republican and pick the least terrible one. Couldn't do that this year, so I burned my vote on the Democratic candidate (did we have a caucus? I can't remember) and now I am getting a ton of spam (phone and text). The Republicans at least only send me crap in the mail. I got a super annoying phone call on a Sunday though from my Precint officer asking me if I was going to vote straight Democrat. She was obnoxious and really not well informed, just a straight party ticket voter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zathras Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 On 10/29/2020 at 7:26 AM, Fozzie said: My stance this year was no Republicans for any office. Following that, I would vote for any candidate that deserved my vote, regardless of party. If no one deserved it, or if it was uncontested, I left it blank. Same here. Except I wrote myself instead of leaving blank spaces LOL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 I wrote in "the fly that landed on Pence's head" for any write ins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerimar Nyliram Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 So is everyone on Nightly pretty much a Biden supporter and/or a Democrat? Is there anyone for the other team, or uncommitted people like myself? Serious question, not a troll post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zathras Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I was once a republican (1990s, but got sick of the BS), then for a long while a registered independent (2000-2020), and I am currently a registered democrat as of this election cycle. I am not so much a Biden supporter (though I always felt he was the best shot at defeating Trump), as I am ANTI Trump. The guy is a disaster, and needs to be removed from office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 Holding my nose to vote for Biden. Not a Democrat. Voting as far left in every race as possible, or abstaining when necessary. The two candidates for county supervisor I have to choose from are equally abhorrent, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 47 minutes ago, Zerimar Nyliram said: So is everyone on Nightly pretty much a Biden supporter and/or a Democrat? Is there anyone for the other team, or uncommitted people like myself? Serious question, not a troll post. I’m not a Democrat by any means, but I’m anti-Trump. I’ve traditionally voted more Republican than Democrat, with a good portion of third party. In fact, this is the second time I’ve voted for a major party candidate for president. I would describe myself as mostly socially conservative and economically liberal. My political views are based on my faith, rather than the opposite, which is more common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Skywalker Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 3 hours ago, Fozzie said: I’m not a Democrat by any means, but I’m anti-Trump. I’ve traditionally voted more Republican than Democrat, with a good portion of third party. In fact, this is the second time I’ve voted for a major party candidate for president. I would describe myself as mostly socially conservative and economically liberal. My political views are based on my faith, rather than the opposite, which is more common. 3 hours ago, Official Fozzie Fan Club said: I was once a republican (1990s, but got sick of the BS), then for a long while a registered independent (2000-2020), and I am currently a registered democrat as of this election cycle. I am not so much a Biden supporter (though I always felt he was the best shot at defeating Trump), as I am ANTI Trump. The guy is a disaster, and needs to be removed from office. Basically what both of these guys said. I voted for McCain in 2008 (and I still think he was a good man and am extraordinarily proud of how he stood up to Trump at the end of his life). I even voted for Bush in 2004 and still don't think he was the Great Satan that most Democrats think he was. I had some quibbles with Romney but it wouldn't have been the shitshow that the Trump Administration has been. Obama really grew on me over the course of his Administration and I recognized he was a good man trying to do the right thing. I have always been fairly politically moderate and never have been on the far-end of any political party. I'm personally pro-life for religious reasons and also from personal experience (adopted at birth) but I think that contraceptives, access to health care and education are much better methods of preventing abortions. I would like to see both parties work together more instead of being so polarized, but I also think most of the fringe political parties are one-issue parties or are terribly naive/even more dangerous than Trump's Republican party (Libertarians). My husband still considers himself to be a Republican but voted Democrat this time. I think most Americans are just disgusted with Trump and his mishandling of COVID, especially. Even if you are conservative, I don't see how you can support him after his gross (and possibly intentional) mismanagement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted October 30, 2020 Author Share Posted October 30, 2020 I wonder how much trouble Pong must be for this. I miss him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerimar Nyliram Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Trump's Republican Party are most certainly not libertarians! I'm libertarian, and I know how to spot one when I see one, as well as how to spot a poser. These guys don't know what it even means. These guys are statists to the bone, make no mistake. Since everyone is posting the stories of their current political leanings, I guess I'll post my own. I was always sort of right-leaning growing up, but I never cared much about politics. I would have voted for George W. Bush in 2000 but I was just one month too young. I did vote for him in 2004, though. At this time, I was mostly apathetic toward politics and mostly only voted the way my dad did. I went super right in 2008, though. I loved Sarah Palin, but tolerated McCain. In my mind, he was a "RINO," not conservative enough in my eyes (though I now recognize that this was, in fact, libertarian thought beginning to form in my mind, and that the "RINOs"--McCain, Newt, the Bushes, Romney--these big-government Republicans are the "true conservatives"). So I held my nose and voted for McCain. I did the same thing with Romney in 2012, but only very reluctantly. By this point, I had found myself identifying more with libertarians than conservatives, and I was a big fan of Ron Paul. However, I still had not seen the light fully and viewed his foreign policy as "dangerous," still believing in the myth of a strong national defense. So, at the time I thought Herman Cain was my man. But he imploded, so I very reluctantly supported Romney, after a long period of soul-searching, trying to decide if I should go with my conscience and support Gary Johnson or if doing so was "wasting" my vote, I held my nose and voted for Romney. After the election, I vowed that I would never do that again. I advanced more and more in libertarianism, becoming what you might call a minarchist (absolute minimal government), believing, like most people, that anarchism was too extreme. But the more I studied, the more I came to realize that any form of government was coercion, and I eventually found myself in the anarchist camp, the pinnacle of libertarianism. I looked back at myself in shame for ever liking people like Palin, Bush, or Regan, or right-wing and pseudo-libertarian personalities like Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck. At this point I began to feel strongly against voting, but I still participated--for the last time--in 2016, where I wrote in "JESUS CHRIST" for president. Now, I am a dedicated non-voter as I believe it is immoral to enforce my values on others by threat of violence or to choose an overlord for my neighbor. And that is how Crazy John wound up where he is today! There are still some issues I am "in the closet" on, such as the military and police, which I know would hurt lots of people--including my immediate family--were I to say publicly how I felt about them, and I would undoubtedly lose many friends. These are issues on which I have arrived at most uncomfortable positions, and may take to the grave with me, or at least open up about when I'm like eighty and don't care anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zathras Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 3 hours ago, Ms. Spam said: I wonder how much trouble Pong must be for this. I miss him. Totally! I miss Pong, too. He has a guitarist mind, which is its own kind of genius. He would make a point where you simply agree, despite most of us not able to divine how he came to such a conclusion, nor able to understand whether such conclusion was based on either necromancy, or logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Skywalker Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Ah, I can see where you misunderstood me. No, Trump's Republican party is certainly not Libertarians. I have several friends who are Libertarians and I disagree with them pretty strongly. I think Jo Jorgensen's platform is either willfully ignorant or dishonest. Her economic policies are terrible and would result in even more economic disparity between the 1% and everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerina Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 Because of my faith and religion, the right has pushed me to the left. I'm still fairly centrist but definitely now left-leaning on most social issues. But I've also experienced many things as an adult that have opened my eyes to a lot of things. I grew up very privileged - upper middle class, very white but Mexican enough to claim "minority" accolades, etc. The things I have experienced as an adult have been heartbreaking. I just can't continue to support the mindset and policies that disadvantage people. And I think Trump is a disgusting excuse for a human being, but I've felt that way for decades now, so there's that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odine Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I'm a walking contradiction. In some ways I'm super left wing, and in others kind of right wing. Socially, I'm very left wing liberal..I hold no prejudice against any sexual persuasion or proclivity as long as it's consensual. But then I don't really believe in the classification of sexuality or identity. It's just label making and I hate it. I think all drugs should be decriminalised at the least if not outright legal... but heavily regulated for safety and purity and given restricted accessibility. There is a host of legislation around that to make it work, that is above and beyond my ken but it's a better solution than the current stance on substances. Personally, I haven't taken a drug other than coffee, alcohol, and technology for years. But then I don't really care about identity politics. I see identity politik as a carefully manipulated talking point to keep we the people preoccupied fighting each other instead of uniting together against the ruling 1% and their system of dominance that is designed to maintain the current status quo...That is work, consume, work, consume, throw away, rinse repeat, until we use enough resources to generate our own extinction event or meet the singularity. Both equally as dark. I believe in capitalism in as much as we have the right to earn reward for our labour, to the value of that labour. But I vehemently despise the model of capitalism that we currently find ourselves in. I despise consumerism, though am aware I still am one, though I try to engage in it as little as possible. I despise rampant corporations that own everything and squeeze the life out of every small business owner not to mention the producers, foreign labour, factories, etc these companies use and exploit. I inherently distrust any form of government, because I have no faith in any group of humans with that much power. But then I ideally would want a government with socialist-like protections for the people. Like I said in the other thread, or was it earlier in this one? I dunno. And that's the tip of the iceberg I think. I don't know what the hell it makes me. Here I voted Liberal Democrat, which is fairly centrist. Mainly because the Tories are a bunch of loaded private school boys who have no idea what life is truly like for most people. They are stratosphericly out of touch. The Labour party was run by a Trotskyite at the time of our elections so I wasn't going to vote for him. And the greens, well, every green party environmental policy I agree with whole heartedly, but in some instances they don't go far enough. But the primary problem is voting green is pissing your vote away because they don't get anywhere. And in order to try and prevent a conservative government I had to vote either Labour or Lib Dem. Not that I have any faith in the electoral system or our model of democracy at all, tbh. And I think the current president is deserving of non-existance, so there's that. Someone tell me what I am?! Confused I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tank Posted October 31, 2020 Share Posted October 31, 2020 I am staunchly, over the top, hardcore liberal when it comes to human rights, equality for all, and the idea that as an organized rich-ass country we should prioritize taking care of each other with things like health care, education, and social security. Poverty should be our number one enemy, not drugs or immigrants. But at the same time, I think government should be a lot smaller and less complicated, and while I am for helping people, I don't think we should be giving hand outs that people can live off of or take advantage of. Our national debt is pure insanity and we should go back to the gold standard. That makes somewhat of a centrist. That said, I abhor most political parties and think they are all insanely corrupt. The GOP has been infiltrated by industrialists and millions who get into all branches of government to keep their wealth intact. The Democrats are power-mongers who use virtue-signalling to try win every disenfranchised vote out there, and yet once in office only maintain the status quo (see every major city in the country run by a Democratic mayor) I don't care much for the outlier parties either. The Green party is a protest movement that just wants to be seen. Libertarians tell you they want you to just go live your life, but have zero empathy for anyone in true need and are a little too gun crazy. I tend to vote with my heart more than my brain, but ultimately I am a conscientious objector to our entire system. I'm not dumb though-- I'm not going to move to another country and I make decent money-- so I will play the game... but as long as lobbying exists and politicians are simultaneously CEOs or top shareholders in Fortune 500 companies, our system will fucked. It designed to keep rich people rich, poor people poor, and stupid people stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ender Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I generally vote for the most sane candidate. This usually causes me to vote 3rd party for either the Green or Libertarian Party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 I have voted for both at different times, but I would hardly call candidates of either party sane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Man Posted November 2, 2020 Share Posted November 2, 2020 As an Alaskan, I can say that I don’t fault anyone for falling for Sarah Palin unless they still like her. ;-) I’m a liberal, but mostly I just want people to listen to each other, and then leave each other the fuck alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Man Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 It looks like the writing is on the wall it. Absentees could possibly alter this outcome, but that will undoubtedly draw battles... hopefully only legal, but in this crazy climate and year who knows. At this moment it is Biden 223 and Dump 174. That looks close maybe even favorably blue however Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Texas are approx 165 delegates. All are led by Dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerina Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 So. We all moving to New Zealand or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Man Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 France has a Disneyland, which is actually open because even tho it is France and well you know France... they mostly listened to science. But I’m good with New Zealand too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odine Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 New Zealand is great but it's not without its share of problems. Encroaching authoritarianism under the leadership of ginger man-bear-pig isn't one of them though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerina Posted November 4, 2020 Share Posted November 4, 2020 I wouldn't have to learn a new language. And they have sheep and Hobbiton. Sounds like paradise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted November 4, 2020 Author Share Posted November 4, 2020 I'm going to buy and island and live on it like that artist did and have a free lifestyle of not giving a fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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