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EPISODE VIII - THE LAST JEDI


Mara Jade Skywalker
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Im not saying he HAS to die, but I do think he will and the reasoning is this:

 

I think when/if Luke dies it will basically be the climax of the movie. It's not gonna be like Obi Wan and happen 2/3 of the way in. Which makes TLJ the logical spot for it for a couple reasons. First the climax of IX should be about Rey defeating Kylo/turning dark/whatever she is going to do, not about Luke dying. Secondly you want a whole story about Rey dealing with Lukes death, moving on and then doing whatever she is going to do. Luke dying with 10 minutes to go in IX and then Rey quickly killing Ren isn't really her overcoming Luke's death. You want it to be like she is in bad shape at the end of TLJ from Lukes death. Early in IX she lacks the confidence to believe she can do what she needs to do on her own. She then over the course of the movie has to accept that she must do this because she is the only one who can. Then finally she faces off with whatever challenge is laid before her.

 

You say that they love Luke and will want him around as long as possible, but Star Wars has a cheat, they can have their cake and eat it too. They can get a huge death of Luke scene to help the climax of TLJ and create buzz and then because of ghosts they can have Luke in a couple scenes in IX as well.

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I had a thought that maybe they were going to do a movie each for the three returning stars. Episode VII was very Han centric. They could have done one with Leia and one with Luke.

 

Not gonna happen though and certainly not since we lost Carrie :(

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I just don't know how they will be able to compare to Han's death. I feel like they used all the emotional death manipulation in that one scene. Killing Luke would just be shock value at this point.

 

Of course I could be totally wrong and they could kill Luke in the best scene ever. All I know is I'll be super pissed if Luke dies in the Sequel Trilogy and we get through all of Star Wars Rebels without any of the Jedi characters dying. :p

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(Still don't think it's gonna happen. They want to keep Mark Hamill around. They'll put Luke on a bus.)

Yeah. . .without Carrie and the fact Harrison won't come back, they would definitely want to keep one of the original three on retainer. There is the whole force ghost thing but limits how they can use the character. Killing all three is a little too predictable as well, it'd be nice if the twist to the new trilogy is Luke surviving.

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it'd be nice if the twist to the new trilogy is Luke surviving.

I get where you're coming from, but I don't think that would technically be a twist.

 

I don't think Luke will be "killed". The more I think about it, the more I think he'll survive, but if he dies, it will be a sacrifice thing a la Obi-Wan (although I do think they need to move away from the OT plot beats so I hope this doesn't happen).

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The big scoops usually come in the time between the movie being done and when it comes out. We have the same amount of set spy reports and photos that we had before. But the big TFA scoops came from all the leaked concept art. Knowing now that art was commissioned by a variety of artists for idea exploration now makes sense given some of the crazy rumors we got.

 

And ALL that art ended up in the TFA concept art book. I was on the Pinewood lot during the tail end of TFAs shoot and I didn't see squat. The security was insane. All that art was sent to the producers of the book well ahead of time, and in retrospect I'm pretty sure that's where the leaks really came from. That and the zero hour reshoots.

 

They plugged some leaks I'm sure. I do think we are seeing less-- but the big leaks will start happening after June, when the movie is likely locked and shareholders, distributors, and licensees start getting their advance looks and FX houses start adding their work to their show reels, and the script is handed off to people who are doing YA, novel or comic adaptions.

 

Once that stuff starts to happen it's pretty hard to keep a lid on it.

 

Plus, TFA, like TPM, was the first Star Wars in so long, people were extra vigilant about spying on it.

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We (well, not me, I'm a spoilerphobe) pretty much knew all the beats of the movie at this point in 2015. Just a random sampling from a few (eventful) weeks:

 

February 17, 2015 - "Death of a Great and Who Does It" Speaks for itself

 

February 19, 2015 - "The Force Awakens Opening Sequences" Details the beginning of the movie, where at this point the lightsaber was still the McGuffin. Gets the Jakku village sequence, Poe being captured, Finn and Poe crashing on Jakku

 

February 20, 2015 - "Huge Details About Luke's Involvement" Hits everything on the head from Rey and co. returning to the rebel base, her leaving for Ach-To and meeting Luke

 

February 26, 2015 - "Huge Freighter and What Happens There" Escape from Jakku and Rathtar sequence detailed

 

March 20th 2015 - "The Great Escape" Details of the Star Destroyer escape

 

There were still some hazy details (i.e., lightsaber as McGuffin, Maz's Castle being a bad guy place) - I didn't see anything about Maz scrolling through, but there were a few leaks talking about a superweapon of some sort.

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Big beats sure-- but we weren't super salient on how it all connected. I've always been pretty spoiler heavy for Star Wars and while I knew each PT movie pretty much beat for beat before they came out, TFA had a fair amount of surprises for me.

 

We know some of the bigger TLJ beats--

 

It starts with Rey and Luke. He trains her, the Knights of Ren find them and attack.

 

Poe is involved in a political mission. Finn goes undercover in First Order.

 

The missions intersect on a casino planet.

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I think knowing those beats and having detailed descriptions of scenes, as were linked to above, is very different. And I think the flow of at least the first quarter and last quarter of the movie was pretty well known, all those articles place the scenes in question in the proper context. I don't know when the Maz scenes and rebel base scenes became common knowledge, I stopped looking earlier before I saw.

 

But maybe that exists for TLJ - I haven't been looking.

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I think makingstarwars.com is the best resource... but their navigation and organization makes it a nightmare to dig through. I miss the old school days of theforce.net (don't click that, they are beyond terrible now) would have a very well organized fact sheet of rumors all laid out.

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Agreed!

 

And so slow to load. I put in some seriously dreadful legwork getting those links! lol

 

The best one I check is just the Star Wars Leaks reddit. It's a little better as far as organization. You still have to sort, but things are at least clearly labeled usually.

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