Dark Wader Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Obviously it's speculation. I thought that was the whole point of this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonAtila Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Obviously it's speculation. I thought that was the whole point of thisRight and I contributed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonAtila Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Look im not sayng its wrong to speculate, i just don't want people to get hurt, like all that reincarnation talk from Maz line in the TFA trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonAtila Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 It just occurred to me why Luke might have sad this to her. Maybe she has her sights set on revenge on kylo. Maybe she sees herself as the light that's gong to balance out kylos dark. And Luke teaches her its bigger than light and dark, and that she should try to save kylo the way he saved his father. Maybe this Is new, In that the Jed didn't try to convert, and that was something brought on by Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svenn Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 My guess is that Luke will have discovered that the Jedi methodology was formulated to counter a specific threat that no longer exists. The new threat is a more existential one: the jedi methodology makes it too easy for somebody like Snoke to cash in on feelings and emotions that the jedi methodology tries to suppress and ignore. Snoke seems to have been around a while - part of this might be a realization on Luke's part that Snoke has been manipulating force users (perhaps even both jedi and sith) for his own benefit for generations, and that the methodology of both jedi and sith gave Snoke avenues to accomplish this. I don't think it will come out that Snoke was pulling strings on a micro level like Palpatine, but I wouldn't be shocked if Snoke was somehow trying to influence events between the jedi and sith on a macro level. As long as they were focused on each other, he was probably able to "stay off the grid" and do as he pleased. With the sith destroyed, the reorganization of the jedi then became a threat to Snoke, so he was forced to take on a more direct role in opposition to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANA-kin Skywalker Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I hate to say it, but this trailer actually lends more evidence towards the Luke = Snoke theory. So far we have: -Snoke knows an unusual amount of knowledge of the private Vader, Emperor, and Luke showdown in ROTJ (sentiment caused Vader to turn on the emperor/topple the empire) almost as if he were there. -Luke says he believes it's "time for the Jedi to end" as a certain fact. Snoke seems to want the same thing. Snoke doesn't specifically say he wants to kill Luke, he does say he doesn't want the resistance to find Luke, nor does he want the Jedi order to rise again. He seemed content with Luke simply vanishing. Why would Snoke take that chance? If he secretly IS Luke...there's your answer. -Prior to TFA, Kylo went to Luke to train. Then he fell to the dark side under Luke's supervision. Snoke is apparently a known entity in all this, because Leia blames Snoke for her son's fall. Convenient sequence of events, and if Luke = Snoke then turning Kylo would be that much easier. -in the flashbacks, the Jedi temple is In a flaming ruin, the students apparently all killed, presumably by Kylo. Luke is conveniently not in the damn thing, and he's been seen not actively defending the temple, but watching from afar. We suspiciously don't see Luke's face in any of these flashbacks, almost as if the screenwriters are holding their cards real close to the chest in these scenes. Hiding his face masks any facial emotion. Perhaps because this look is that of approval? -in TFA, Kylo tells Snoke via hologram about Rey and her strength in the force. Change of plans! Snoke says "bring her to me". Another game changer: Starkiller base bloweded up. Kylo fails to deliver Rey to Snoke. Snoke needs to change his approach. R2d2 then magically turns on at the right moment like an alarm clock (by Luke?) allowing the silly map pieces to come together, making Luke's location finally known. Rey goes to him, with an agenda: training. if Luke = Snoke, this sequence of events actually makes more sense in terms of both motivations and technical plot issues. Rey gets manipulated into delivering herself to Snoke when he allows himself to be located. ...just sayin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robin Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 The only Snoke theory I enjoy is him being Ezra from Rebels. Afterthought: I'd be happy with Snoke just being Snoke, of course. Another Rebels tie that makes me smile is Benicio as a grizzled, maybe even disillusioned but still good Ezra. Afterthought, part deux: Luke as a villain is dumber than Star Trek Into Darkness, both as a title and a film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I hate to say it, but this trailer actually lends more evidence towards the Luke = Snoke theory. So far we have: -Snoke knows an unusual amount of knowledge of the private Vader, Emperor, and Luke showdown in ROTJ (sentiment caused Vader to turn on the emperor/topple the empire) almost as if he were there. -Luke says he believes it's "time for the Jedi to end" as a certain fact. Snoke seems to want the same thing. Snoke doesn't specifically say he wants to kill Luke, he does say he doesn't want the resistance to find Luke, nor does he want the Jedi order to rise again. He seemed content with Luke simply vanishing. Why would Snoke take that chance? If he secretly IS Luke...there's your answer. -Prior to TFA, Kylo went to Luke to train. Then he fell to the dark side under Luke's supervision. Snoke is apparently a known entity in all this, because Leia blames Snoke for her son's fall. Convenient sequence of events, and if Luke = Snoke then turning Kylo would be that much easier. -in the flashbacks, the Jedi temple is In a flaming ruin, the students apparently all killed, presumably by Kylo. Luke is conveniently not in the damn thing, and he's been seen not actively defending the temple, but watching from afar. We suspiciously don't see Luke's face in any of these flashbacks, almost as if the screenwriters are holding their cards real close to the chest in these scenes. Hiding his face masks any facial emotion. Perhaps because this look is that of approval? -in TFA, Kylo tells Snoke via hologram about Rey and her strength in the force. Change of plans! Snoke says "bring her to me". Another game changer: Starkiller base bloweded up. Kylo fails to deliver Rey to Snoke. Snoke needs to change his approach. R2d2 then magically turns on at the right moment like an alarm clock (by Luke?) allowing the silly map pieces to come together, making Luke's location finally known. Rey goes to him, with an agenda: training. if Luke = Snoke, this sequence of events actually makes more sense in terms of both motivations and technical plot issues. Rey gets manipulated into delivering herself to Snoke when he allows himself to be located. ...just sayin Zero percent chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 And I think you're overestimating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 What might motivate Luke to become evil, and then hide it from his own minions? If Kylo knows both Luke and Snoke, and Luke is Snoke, why fake the appearance of a scarred, wrinkly old (alien?) man? Is it just for General Hux's sake? He doesn't seem worth the trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Luke is not evil. Luke is not Snoke. These ideas have as much credence as Naboo = Dagobah or Sidious and Palpatine not being the same person, or saying Padme could live past Episode 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Ender Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Luke is not evil.Luke is not Snoke. These ideas have as much credence as Naboo = Dagobah or Sidious and Palpatine not being the same person, or saying Padme could live past Episode 3.Luke=Snoke is added to my signature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonAtila Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Leia is Snoke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANA-kin Skywalker Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Oh come on. All were talking about here is Luke falling to the dark side, not drilling a glory hole in Poe Dameron's x-wing. And I don't even like the idea or think it's likely to happen. I'm saying it looks like it could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I think the gloryhole is more likely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 Snoke is Snoke. Luke is not evil, or emo, or depressed. Also, I cannot handle Jedi Master Luke. It is everything I've ever wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Snoke is Snoke. Luke is not evil, or emo, or depressed. Also, I cannot handle Jedi Master Luke. It is everything I've ever wanted.No-- this is everything you've ever wanted:https://www.refinery29.com/amp/disney-world-star-wars-hotel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 I KNOW We're already saving our money for it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Does that hotel include a three way with Mark Hamill and Hayden Christensen? #WhatAGirlWants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen123 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Does that hotel include a three way with Mark Hamill and Hayden Christensen? #WhatAGirlWants#SkywalkerRanch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrian Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Does that hotel include a three way with Mark Hamill and Hayden Christensen? #WhatAGirlWants#SkywalkerRanch #SkywalkerRanchDressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen123 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Does that hotel include a three way with Mark Hamill and Hayden Christensen? #WhatAGirlWants#SkywalkerRanch #SkywalkerRanchDressing #ForceChokeItDown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 I had an interesting conversation with a guy here from work. He talked about how he wants Kylo Ren to become a more interesting character. He talked about how he started out liking Ren, but by the end of the movie he had basically become an annoying version of Damian Wayne(an oxymoron IMO). A kid with Daddy issues that idolizes his grandfather. The difference being that Damian actually knew and trained under his grandfather. We talked about how they need to minimize the Vader connection because it has a great chance if falling flat. Luke knew he was Vader's son for a couple of months. People do follow figures they don't personally know for many reasons, but most of us still don't know what Vader "had started". Then we finished talking about how Robin has to be introduced in the Batman movie, because there is no real reason to include Deathstroke if you don't......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevil Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 @Darth Ender you forgot Kitster = Boba Fett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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