Cerina Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Michelle Obama's IDGAF face was superb! Hats off to you, ma'am! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Obama's "change" speech at his first inauguration was a shot across Bush's bow. And Bush was nothing but gracious during the whole transition process to Obama. Obama has been taking digs at Trump the last two months. Unfortunately that's just the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 HA! Trump stole lines from three movies for his speech. The plagiarism is strong with this group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017   You are SO gonna get him re-elected. You know that, don't you?Possibly, but while he sullies the office of President, I'm giving him the same respect that the right gave Obama. Obama won re-election. And Obama never had it half as bad as Trump. Can you clarify what you mean by half as bad? How old were you in 2008? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Can you clarify what you mean by half as bad? Well, I don't recall multiple violent riots erupting over Obama's election and inauguration or his speech being called "Hitlerian" on a major cable network for no discernible reason. But I'll be happy to pretend that I'm too young to remember. Seriously, if you think the vitriol against Obama was half as bad as Trump (or towards Bush for that matter), I don't know what to tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 You mean a few hundred burning effigies in the South don't count? Cause I recall seeing a bunch of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 HA! Trump stole lines from three movies for his speech. The plagiarism is strong with this group.And you can tell us the last inaugural speech that didn't borrow from other works? If you can please..... Â I'll give you that Trump's speech was nothing special, but I think most of that comes from the fact that his delivery is bland. If Obama was anything, he was a gifted talker. He could deliver a speech with meaning behind it. Now his unprepared stuff was painful to listen to. So many long drawn out Uhhhhs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Must've been on CNN. Which means it must be true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 You mean a few hundred burning effigies in the South don't count? Cause I recall seeing a bunch of those. By all means, Google Trump effigy and see what comes up. Or, again, try the same for Bush. If anything, the amount of name calling in anything resembling polite company directed at Obama was unusually low thanks to mainstream fears of being called a racist. Your putting in "the South" obviously being the usual allusion to racism for what has been a fairly common form of protest across both parties being an example. And while I find the practice distasteful on both sides, it's got nothing on actual violent protests that don't just hurt feelings, but literally cause harm to people and property. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Poe's on the money. The amount of hatred and violence coming from the left is kinda scary. I'm really hoping these people either wind up in jail or killing themselves. How funny is this feminist march today? Good luck with that. By all means keep it up, because their only making things worse for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Good lord these are horrible people. Just now reading Ashley Judd accusing Trump of wanting to fuck Ivanka and some SNL writer saying Barron will be the first home schooled shooter. Â Great stuff people. Keep showing the world how horrible you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 The irony of you saying that blows my mind. You say some of the most hateful vile things I've seen on this site. POE-- I'm just giving an example. I don't think the liberal outrage now is much different than what we saw from the opposing side when Obama took office. That's all. I know you know Trump is a blight, but you'll never EVER be remotely supportive of anything liberal. You won't support Trump so that leaves your only option to attack and demonize anything liberals do. Sure, maybe I am making a generalization about the south, but you can't deny that the Confederate flag wavers, the white supremacists, the fundamentalist religious right, and anyone that opposes civil rights is pretty much always on your side. I'm not saying anyone that's republican IS one of those things automatically, but those are parties that lean your way. Sure my side has its jack assess too-- but I'll take feminists, annoying hippies, Hollywood douchebags, and millenials over what you have on your side any day. And it's time to go back on my Lyceum embargo because this will never lead anywhere productive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kurgan Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 True in most cases, but if the opposition continues to tell people they are stupid for voting for Trump they will get him reelcted. I've already noticed the media backing off because of this. It's still not going to stop butthurt liberals from going on social media, though.Thing of it is, Tex, telling people they are stupid for not supporting such-and-such a position or even ideology has worked well for the center-left since Bush was in office. Hell, I saw the whole thing cycle out on this very board - beginning in the early 2000s where only a complete idiot could possibly be a Christian (and by extent, conservative) and this gradually morphed into the kind of social justice identity politics that took over the internet circa 2010 or so. And, despite what you might be tempted to think, it's still working. Sure there's been pushback via the whole "social justice warrior" thing that took off post GamerGate, but it's still miniscule compared to the presence intersectional feminism has online, in academia, in mainstream media and in celebrity culture, even if it's mainly just for show. Make no mistake, there's resentment towards the strong-arm tactics that the urban progressives use to shame people into support for their causes, but nothing approaching the degree needed to decide a national election or even shift the tone and tenor of conversation surrounding social issues. Indeed, I think that their intolerance and dogmatism is precisely what's making the SJW intersectional feminist left a significant cultural force, and maybe even an influential political force. As I've said before, a certain percentage of the population is decidedly authoritarian in their basic personality, and these types have migrated to the PC crowd due in small part to the demise of socialism as the dominant force on the left and in large part due to decades worth of liberalization in mainline protestant and Catholic Christianity.  I really wish it were true that Trump's victory was due to a backlash against political correctness. Anti-feminism and anti PC have been my own personal signature stances on this board all the way back to the days when it was the episode ii discussion forum. So believe me when I say that. But I don't think it was at all a significant factor. It is mainly the cultural libertarians, the Milo Yiannopoulos types trying to shoehorn their own political preferences into the narrative of Hillary's defeat. It's no more accurate than Hillary herself attributing Trump support to a "basket of deplorables" and betrayal at the hands of basement dwelling "Bernie bro's." Clinton received approximately the same number of votes all told as Obama did in 2012. So there hasn't been a mass exodus of moderate-liberal democrats defecting to the GOP in protest over political correctness, any more than there's been a sudden spike in actual racism, misogyny, etc. in a nation that gave a black liberal democrat the highest popular vote counts in the nation's history in the 2008 and 2012 elections. The critical issue was the failure of the Obama recovery to reach the rust belt, which were thereby made more receptive to Trump's denunciation of free trade, etc. Those states flipped GOP and as such, the electoral college went GOP. There were other factors, of course, but that's mainly what decided it. But setting limousines on fire and chaining yourselves together and other ridiculous, infantile displays of protest does no one any favors. The far left has done nothing but embarrass themselves, and the nation in general. The thing I fear is the reincarnation of Occupy Wall Street and other freak child protest movements. Especially since the first round was when someone they actually liked was president. Imagine what they will do, now that someone they actually hate is president. The 1960s Noam Chomsky protester tactics of the crazy left is totally played out. The rest of us tune you freaks out. Shut the eff up and deal. Grow up, bide your time, and field a candidate worthy of voting for. That's what you do if you want to make a real, lasting change.I agree with this personally, but again, I don't think it's going to change public perception much. Truth is, rioting, protesting, direct action and so forth are deeply romanticized in the canon of "The Church of Liberalism" as Carrie Mathison calls it. No small number of people world wide, and these politically connected and engaged people, no doubt watched video footage of Antifa running about setting limousines on fire, smashing Starbucks windows (the irony!) and punching alt-right luminary Richard Spencer in the head during an interview (not that he didn't have it coming, but still ...) and think "right on! That's how real social change happens!" It might be strategically wise for the progressives to change their tack and start trying to make overtures towards other groups or even rebranding themselves to an extent, but I wouldn't expect it unless they lose in 2020. They seem to be confident that the long term demographic trajectory - the "old white dudes" dying off and being replaced by younger, hipper cohorts - working in their long term favor. Trump is ultimately going to punch his own ticket here, one way or another. He'll enjoy incumbent advantage in 2020. Plus the house of reps - already heavily gerrymandered, is likely to remain in GOP hands through 2020 given how dominant the GOP now is at the state level. While Trump had an icy relationship with much of the GOP establishment during his campaign, I really doubt they'll act to obstruct him much in congress given how partisan party voting patterns tend to be. It's quite unlikely, I think, that GOP representatives will vote against their own guy to a degree that would obstruct Trump's agenda and thereby support the democrats. So there's that as well. Trump will be unpopular in most mainstream media, but again they preach to the choir more or less, and Trump has proven himself adept at circumventing this and communicating with his base of support more directly via social media - his twitter account especially (follow him on twitter if you're not already, it's definitely worth it!) and he might even be able to continue playing the whole media thing to his advantage by coming across as the underdog in the face of a hostile media apparatus and "fake news." Hell, I cheered out loud when he came out and called Buzzfeed a "failing pile of garbage." About time somebody did. Nothing is for certain, of course. He could well lose in 2020. But I doubt that will occur as a result of public frustration with liberal smugness, political correctness or dumb radicals rioting and blocking traffic. That tends to happen in blue state territory as is, and for "the Church of Liberalism", condescending white male guilt are the sermons they've gathered to hear and obstructionist civil disobedience are the sacraments they've gathered to fast and tithe for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 I know you know Trump is a blight, but you'll never EVER be remotely supportive of anything liberal. You won't support Trump so that leaves your only option to attack and demonize anything liberals do. I'm not sure what you want me to do. I'm hardly sitting around here all day attacking Democrats or looking for the next thing to outrage me. I don't think it's fair to expect me to start taking liberal stances. I think of myself as more detached from politics than anything. I don't watch Fox News, I don't visit the fever swamps. I was invited to contribute to a conservative/libertarian website last year, but after the primaries ended, I just couldn't bring myself to care enough to write anything for them. I could have used the platform to highlight things Clinton or the Democrats were doing that angered me, but I didn't. Maybe a dozen years ago I would have, but a dozen years ago, I might have drunk the Kool-Aid for Trump. I'm a bit taken aback at being accused of reflexive hate for... well all I did was point out someone else's reflexive hate, didn't I?   Sure my side has its jack assess too-- but I'll take feminists, annoying hippies, Hollywood douchebags, and millenials over what you have on your side any day. I disagree. By my observation, the liberal camp has become a lot more violent and willing to ruin people's lives because of heterodox or even neutral beliefs. What's more the fringe is much closer to the mainstream of the Democrat party. Or at least were until Trump knocked down some walls. And I don't accept the premise that the Democrat tent is any less bigoted or racist as Republican. It's only more less documented because it's socially acceptable bigotry and racism, which actually makes it worse. Yes, the Republican party inherited the South and all the ugly history that comes with it. But even our deplorables have largely been content to win at the ballot box since defecting to our side. Perhaps you'll take that as evidence that I'm slobbering angry at the Democrats, but I'm really not angry. I've got no vehicle to ride, so all I can do is report what I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Currently watching him complain about the media at CIA Headquarters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUAJedi2 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 How funny is this feminist march today? Good luck with that. By all means keep it up, because their (sic) only making things worse for themselves.Jesus fuck. Because God forbid any vagina-possessing human want to be more than your cook, maid, semen-receptacle baby incubator. Please, please, call me "cuck" or "SJW" now, cuz it makes me all warm and squishy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kurgan Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Sure my side has its jack assess too-- but I'll take feminists, annoying hippies, Hollywood douchebags, and millenials over what you have on your side any day.Beautiful thing about this post Bernie Sanders campaign era is that it's not simply a choice between these two anymore. I'll take my brocialists a-la Chapo Trap House over the both of them any day. While we haven't a snowball's chance in hell of actually running the country one day, it's nice to finally have a niche of like minded people to be a real alternative to the hypocritical puritans and evangelicals of Hollywood and megachurch alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 Â HA! Trump stole lines from three movies for his speech. The plagiarism is strong with this group.And you can tell us the last inaugural speech that didn't borrow from other works? If you can please..... Â I'll give you that Trump's speech was nothing special, but I think most of that comes from the fact that his delivery is bland. If Obama was anything, he was a gifted talker. He could deliver a speech with meaning behind it. Now his unprepared stuff was painful to listen to. So many long drawn out Uhhhhs.He wrote his own speech. While some presidents do draw from speeches of previous people that Trump speech was not inspiring at all. It was more like his populist stump speeches. Mostly I just wanted to get a rise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen123 Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Because he has already decorated the Oval Office with a lot of gold colored items, I hear that it is already being referred to as the Auval Office now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Â How funny is this feminist march today? Good luck with that. By all means keep it up, because their (sic) only making things worse for themselves.Jesus ****. Because God forbid any vagina-possessing human want to be more than your cook, maid, semen-receptacle baby incubator.Please, please, call me "cuck" or "SJW" now, cuz it makes me all warm and squishy.Maybe it's funny because many feminists almost 20 years ago still backed Clinton when he was being charged with rape and showed support for him during impeachment hearings. Trump makes a comment about grabbing ******* and that makes HIM unfit to be president. Sounds about right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 Are you saying that because something similar happened in the past that it is acceptable for it to continue? Or are you asking, indirectly, why there wasn't similar outrage at similar behavior? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 The second one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kurgan Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 Are you saying that because something similar happened in the past that it is acceptable for it to continue? Or are you asking, indirectly, why there wasn't similar outrage at similar behavior?There was outrage, just from the other side of the political isle. It's all about partisanship. That's why it all rings hollow to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted January 22, 2017 Author Share Posted January 22, 2017 Well, Richard Spencer got punched in the face. The only bad protests I've seen so far was a Starbucks and a BoA got the glass shattered in DC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted January 22, 2017 Share Posted January 22, 2017 And Madonna told protesting groups of women she thought about blowing up the White House. So yeah more par for the course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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