the trumpet player 2 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 So it seems like Disney are going to go ahead with a CG Leia. In this particular case (for varied personal reasons) I'm not for, nor against it, but I am seeing a lot of comments online suggesting it's wrong to do so. Just wondering what people's thoughts are on here. With all due respect to Carrie Fisher, RIP x She was an integral part of what made those films, which played a huge part in my life only some of us will ever understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I don't think LFL has decided what they are going to do for the next movie get. As always, I support whatever decision LFL makes with Todd Fisher and Billie Lourd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonAtila Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Look at it this way, if you were in the next SW movie and then died, would you rather they CGI YOUR VALUABLE FACE or recast the part because who cares who's face the character has? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the trumpet player 2 Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ramon, I'd rather a CGI version with a lot of care and attention to detail than a recast. Mara, I think they've pretty much decided to go ahead with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Should just tag this with rumor control. Especially considering how secretive they've been about EVERYTHING so far. It's way too early to put one person's opinion up there as near-confirmed fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I think it depends on context. Using Carrie Fischer's likeness to tell Star Wars stories-- fine. Her likeness has been owned by Lucasfilm most of her adult life. If her family is all for it, even better. Using her likeness to sell fast food or breakfast cereal? That's when it gets tacky and gross. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 With Leia, we already saw a CGI version in Rogue One before Carrie Fisher passed away, so I think from a moral standpoint, I am in agreement with MJS. As long as the surviving members of Carrie Fisher's estate are okay with using a CGI Leia, I am too. Especially considering the circumstances. Fisher's death was very unexpected. Tarkin,OTOH, while I was OK with the CGI personally, I can see there would be grounds to object. CGI tech hadn't progressed to the point it has today, when Cushing died, so it's hard to know if Cushing would have been OK with using his likeness like that, unless it was a sure thing that his family or estate would be compensated. I think that is an interesting question, really. If we see more CGI resurrections, who benefits from it? If it is just Hollywood cashing in on deceased actors without asking families of said actors for permission and/or without properly compensating the surviving family members for the use of said actors' likenesses, then I think I have to say I am against it. Of course in today's litigious society, studios will simply force actors and actresses to sign away their likeness to be used by the studio whenever and however they want, even after their deaths. So really, the Genie may already be out of the bottle, and therefore making CGI resurrection a moot point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 There is really so much about this that depends on the circumstances. As noted above, Cushing wasn't asked what he thought about being brought back to life as a CGI character. However, given everything I know about Cushing, I think he would have been all for it. As far as ethical considerations go, it's really not too much of a problem. Plus, I've noted before that Cushing himself is a special case because his bone structure is so unique that there's something alien about his presence in the first place, so the uncanny valley can be fudged just a bit more. But, Alec Guiness would be another story. We all know that he was pretty crabby about Star Wars. Whether his family would give permission or not, it just shouldn't be done. In the specific case of Carrie/Leia, turning a major character into a CGI character midway through the series wouldn't be satisfactory no matter what. If this movie were kicked down the road 10 years from now, perhaps, but it's not. It'd just be too jarring a transition. So I'm pretty sure that they'll use a CGI stand-in for a few scenes just to give the character a proper send off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANA-kin Skywalker Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 As long as the deceased's heirs get compensated appropriately, and as long as the performance is more-or-less in line with what the living actors performances were, I don't see anything inherently wrong with it. For instance, if CG Tarkin had to do a gratuitous frontal nudity scene on the death star, I'd consider that wrong no matter how much his family got paid because obviously Mr. Cushing would never have signed off on something like that. However, if an entire movie revolved around him as a CG main character, and if the "performance" is something the late actor would have been reasonably proud of, it's fine. Just pay the right people the right amount of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Mara, I think they've pretty much decided to go ahead with it.Source? Last I heard they were just starting to discuss the plans for Leia's future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonAtila Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Of course in today's litigious society, studios will simply force actors and actresses to sign away their likeness to be used by the studio whenever and however they want, even after their deaths. So really, the Genie may already be out of the bottle, and therefore making CGI resurrection a moot point. Yes, that would be the nature of the beast. Maybe people would be sensitive about it because it's Disney, but they don't exactly put their logo ahead of the film now do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerimar Nyliram Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Won't be seeing Episodes VIII or IX, but in general, I don't have a problem with it. In fact, as someone who is always fascinated with property rights, who exactly owns the faces of the deceased? Obviously not the deceased themselves anymore. Possibly their families? If it is okay with the families, it is okay with me.Then there is the matter of whether or not the families need to be compensated. This is all a very hazy area to deal with, especially for a voluntaryist like myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 In general if the estate gives permission and is getting paid, then whatever. And if the character they're resurrecting is one the actor had already played while they were alive, fine. Personally, I don't think anyone has any business trying to decide what the actor or actress would or would not have wanted to act in after their decease (god, that's a weird sentence)... but again, really, I guess it's just if the estate gives the OK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the trumpet player 2 Posted January 13, 2017 Author Share Posted January 13, 2017 Source? Last I heard they were just starting to discuss the plans for Leia's future. +1 Back to top Quote MultiQuote Report Mara, there are articles online which mention Lucasfilm are talking with her estate, if they hadn't already decided to take this route I doubt they wouldn't even be talking with them. No matter how good a CG Leia will look it's going to be both creepy and depressing watching it, knowing she's passed on, even if it's 100 x better than what they did with Rogue One. It absolutely sucks that she died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Jawa Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I haven't seen these articles, but assuming they exist, your conclusion is still conjecture. You may well turn out to be right, but you might consider toning down your certainty until there's a little more to go on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 That would certainly be a step for getting the okay for CGI Leia, but it's far more likely this is about the continued use of Fisher's likeness. Not that it isn't about CGI - but that's an unnecessary leap at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I just don't understand why it's automatically assumed "CGI". No matter what Lucasfilm does with Leia, they're going to want the approval of Carrie's family. They don't need it, but they'll want it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerimar Nyliram Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I mean, what else could it possibly be? An animatronic Leia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Clearly, it's a clone of Carrie Fisher. They can do it. After all, Temeura Morrison was cloned to play all those clonetroopers in Episodes II and III. Wasn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3 & 6 years to go... Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 How will they match the voice (I haven't seen Rogue One, yet)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 I mean, what else could it possibly be? An animatronic Leia?I think she was meaning body doubles and angle shots where you don't see the face, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerimar Nyliram Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Ah, true. Also, I'm pretty sure that's what they did with Temeura Morrison, only using shots where they did show his face. I don't think they produced him completely from CGI because the technology in the early 2000s would not have allowed for such an authentic-looking human face to be produced (see The Mummy Returns). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Darth Hunter Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 How will they match the voice (I haven't seen Rogue One, yet)?Just look at Clone Wars and Rebels for the answer...voice actors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrian Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 Disney have denied that they're looking into it. Apparently the rumour stems from a BBC report which was unsubstantiated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted January 13, 2017 Share Posted January 13, 2017 - CGI- recasting- killing Leia off- writing her out of IX All options here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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