DANA-kin Skywalker Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 No reason to believe they couldn't have been a couple. Why not? It's the friendship that really matters, and whatever they were, you could tell it goes way back. Was that Brom from game of thrones in there as well? When the star destroyer was pushed into the other one, an imperial officer yells "brace for impact" or something like that. It looked just like Brom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Men can't be friends without it being assumed it's a romance anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I shouldn't have to preface this statement by saying I'm not homophobic nor do I oppose the depiction of homosexual relationships and/or marriages in Star Wars, or any other story, but I do have to, because some people on here may decide that disagreeing with them is the same as being anti-homosexual relationships - but just because two men are depicted as having a close emotional relationship does not mean they're automatically sexual partners. There are degrees of closeness in-between acquaintances and sexual partners. If two women were playing the roles of Chirrut and Baze (and why couldn't they have been female?), would it be logical to assume they're sexual partners? Does "space married" mean sexual partners, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANA-kin Skywalker Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Sex doesn't exist in Star Wars. Implied sex happened between movies once over the span of 8 films, and that was only for necessary protagonist procreation. If you want to think that fine, if not fine. But arguing and long doctor Phil explanations are a waste of energy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 I shouldn't have to preface this statement by saying I'm not homophobic nor do I oppose the depiction of homosexual relationships and/or marriages in Star Wars, or any other story, but I do have to, because some people on here may decide that disagreeing with them is the same as being anti-homosexual relationships - but just because two men are depicted as having a close emotional relationship does not mean they're automatically sexual partners. There are degrees of closeness in-between acquaintances and sexual partners. If two women were playing the roles of Chirrut and Baze (and why couldn't they have been female?), would it be logical to assume they're sexual partners? Does "space married" mean sexual partners, though? It's more about challenging what is considered normal. There's nothing to imply they AREN'T a couple, so why do we say something is being forced if one thinks they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 You can think anything you want about their relationship but to call what we saw on screen between them a romance is just wrong. There is nothing romantic about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 Obi-Wan looking old: beards hide a lot and Ewan McGregor is taking the same magic pills Johnny Depp does. He's aged really well. Make up and a big AOTC beard would hide a lot. As for the Senate-- I feel like less than a day passed between The Emperor shutting it down and Alderaan. Part of me even wonders if Tarkins line was meant to be after but the edit moved things.Yeah, it MIGHT work, if the make up is good enough. Hell, probably more than maybe. These days, they probably could pull it off no problem. I personally like your idea, and I would be down for ANY Obi Wan movie. I don't hate the clone wars era either, so don't get me wrong. Episode 3.5: I am sure a lot of people want to see what happened to Obi Wan after the jedi purge. But, apology to the fans for the PT aside, do you think there is much demand for an episode 1.5 and 2.5? I think between the films, TCW, the bazillion EU books, video games, and whatever, that era has been sufficiently explored. I mean really, Pre-Disney Lucasfilm beat it to death as it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted December 21, 2016 Share Posted December 21, 2016 As for the Senate-- I feel like less than a day passed between The Emperor shutting it down and Alderaan. Part of me even wonders if Tarkins line was meant to be after but the edit moved things. Did a quick look at old scripts (4th draft) and the novelization, and it looks like the scene actually got moved back. It was originally supposed to come right after R2-D2 was taken by the Jawas, but got replaced by the "Look, sir... droids" scene. The scene that it ended up following was the scene between Obi-Wan and Luke where Luke views Leia's message, gets the lightsaber, but chooses to go home instead of Alderaan. The scene where Vader interrogates Leia was originally supposed to be in that slot. So, Tarkin announcing the end of the Senate was originally supposed to happen a day earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Palpatine Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 The emperor dissolving the Senate actually makes more sense after seeing R1. Given R1 leads right into Anh, the events of both movies are all one story arc. From the empire's perspective, the death star was being constructed in a remote location. It was tested with 1/5th firing power, then the hyperspace travel was tested, and Tarkin fired it again. At this point Tarkin reports to the emperor that the rebels stole the plans, they are more powerful than they realized, and the death star is fully functional. Emperor then orders them to recapture the plans, as the fully functional death star is the only thing he needs to maintain order by fear, throughout the galaxy. At that point he no longer needs the Senate to keep systems under control, so he dissolves it. Makes sense and fits in with the dialog from both movies. I liked R1 not for the movie itself but for what it adds to ANH and the story as a whole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 In reality Lucas in 1977 never anticipated making prequels. The bit about dissolving the Senate wasn't meant to fit any plot point or timing perfectly. Was just a quick line to show that the Emperor was taking away democracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I have a slinky if you want to straighten it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonAtila Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 In reality Lucas in 1977 never anticipated making prequels. The bit about dissolving the Senate wasn't meant to fit any plot point or timing perfectly. Was just a quick line to show that the Emperor was taking away democracy.But since we did have the prequels, it was useful for R1 to bridge the gap and put ANH back into context Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevil Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I also don't think Chirrut and Bazr were in a relationship. They were brothers to me. Maybe not biologically but in a strong sense of kinship from their time spent serving as guardians of the whirls. The closest approximation I could give is that Baze was Chirrut's 'Space Carer'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odine Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Pretty sure both Copper and Mara were talking tounge firmly in cheek about the "relationship" status between Chirrut and Baze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I mean, I'm not talking tongue in cheek when I say that they could have easily had Chirrut call Baze his husband, or had them kiss good-bye at the end, and nothing else about the relationship would have to change. If Kennedy and company are serious about diversity and portraying a LGBT relationship on-screen, that was the perfect opportunity without "shoving it down people's throats". Do I think they're actually in a relationship? No, because the movie doesn't clarify that. (Same with Finn and Poe, although there's no way Poe Dameron is straight.) Do I still ship them like crazy and think they should have been married? Hell yes. And I feel the same way about Kanan and Hera on Rebels so no, it's not just about shipping all the men together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Pretty sure both Copper and Mara were talking tounge firmly in cheek about the "relationship" status between Chirrut and Baze.Haaaaaaave you met MJS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevil Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I'd say having them kiss or call each other husband is shoving it down our throats. They established Sulu was in a same sex relationship in Star Trek without doing those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Pretty sure Nu-Sulu kissed his spouse when they met at Yorktown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I'd say having them kiss or call each other husband is shoving it down our throats. Wow okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamonAtila Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Star Wars already has a gay character. It's Luke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 I'd say having them kiss or call each other husband is shoving it down our throats. They established Sulu was in a same sex relationship in Star Trek without doing those things.Were they shoving Han and Leia down our throat? Cause they kissed. This is the root problem with diversity arguments. The only agenda is equal response. If a straight couple and a gay couple in a movie do the exact same things, the overwhelming argument is the gay scenario is an agenda or something being fed to us. Asking for equality just means that when the general public sees a gay couple they have the same non reaction as they would to a straight couple. Obviously we have a long way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Wader Posted December 22, 2016 Share Posted December 22, 2016 Saw it for the second time last night and this time completely missed the 3PO & R2 cameo. Not sure if I just zoned out or so used to seeing them in a SW movie that it didn't register. Yet the Chopper cameo this time I didn't have any trouble spotting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevil Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I'd say having them kiss or call each other husband is shoving it down our throats. They established Sulu was in a same sex relationship in Star Trek without doing those things.Were they shoving Han and Leia down our throat? Cause they kissed. This is the root problem with diversity arguments. The only agenda is equal response. If a straight couple and a gay couple in a movie do the exact same things, the overwhelming argument is the gay scenario is an agenda or something being fed to us. Asking for equality just means that when the general public sees a gay couple they have the same non reaction as they would to a straight couple. Obviously we have a long way to go.Actually I was saying they didn't need to make it that obvious to plant a sign on the floor and say "look it's gay people". Pretty similar to how Jyn and Cassian didn't have to kiss at the end to intimate that they may have feelings for each other. I have gay friends and I'm pro-gay in my own way. But I don't think that Star Wars is the right place to satisfy Mara's fetishes. Do we need to remind you where you work again T?? Where I work people of all sexual orientations are treated equally and they get paid the same and they also get to do the big jobs. You might need a ladder to dismount mi amigo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I didn't pick up on any Jyn/Cassian vibes. They embraced at the end because they were about to die. I'd even hug Pong in that situation Well, maybe not Pong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANA-kin Skywalker Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Totally not a romantic scene. If anyone thought that they are crazy. Did anyone notice how Kassian opened his eyes at the last moment and gave an awkward stare? What a crap job editing. Totally should have put a cut before he opened his eyes. Ruined that scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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