Exodus 300 Posted July 5, 2016 Author Share Posted July 5, 2016 What we may get is something in between. Link to post Share on other sites
Justus 319 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Non-franchise movies establish characters, make us love them, then break our hearts by killing them within a single film. So if the writing is of quality, they could do it.The difference is that most non-franchise movies are single films that have no reference (or responsibility) to other movies (think Autumn in New York), so the impact is great. Its self contained--no one knows where its going, as everyone did with the prequels. Link to post Share on other sites
Driver 4,539 Posted July 13, 2016 Share Posted July 13, 2016 Sure-- but my point is, a decent writer can give you a satisfying character with a beginning. middle, and ending in 120 pages. While the fact it is SW does beg for everything to fit into a larger mythology, it shouldn't be impossible to give us some one-offs that we can enjoy. Link to post Share on other sites
Darth Palpatine 31 Posted July 15, 2016 Share Posted July 15, 2016 Yes, this story could easily be confined to this movie alone. Knowing it's just a part of a larger story. End with Jyn beaming the plans to the Tantive and either escaping or dying. Personally I think she should die, they all should. Sacrifice for the larger good. The problem with her living is we never see her again. So they would establish she is a strong character, only to have her just dip at the end? Would be weak in my opinion. End it with the crew of the Tantive receiving the plans and handing the info to Leia. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 i don't understand that argument at all. We barely see the leaders of the Rebellion, why would we believe we see everyone involved? Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowDog 2,168 Posted July 16, 2016 Share Posted July 16, 2016 I agree. The OT is about, like, 5 rebels. The universe has, like, 90 trillion mofos. Link to post Share on other sites
Darth Palpatine 31 Posted July 19, 2016 Share Posted July 19, 2016 i don't understand that argument at all. We barely see the leaders of the Rebellion, why would we believe we see everyone involved?That's fair. But given her importance, it would stand to reason she would have been involved in the attack on the Death Star. Directly or indirectly. Then again I suppose I could apply the Mon Mothma factor. She is obviously at the rebel base in R1, then we don't see her again until ROTJ. So I guess it's possible she lives and is hanging out somewhere off camera. It's just a natural problem by telling stories out of order. You introduce characters and technology that disappears and reappears simply due to the nature of telling stories like in this manner. Link to post Share on other sites
DANA-kin Skywalker 354 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Perhaps it's because I was very young (and probably didn't really know what a spy actually was), but I never really thought the "rebel spies" that beamed...whatever were part of the actual rebellion soldiers. I figured they were NON rebels. Maybe they were imperial traitors or perhaps regular workers, rebel sympathizers...whatever. They were probably dealth with by Vader, but could have ran away or something, Besides, if they were actual rebels, it would make Vader's dialogue awkward and weird when you retcon the movies. But then again...it's Star Wars. lol Link to post Share on other sites
Driver 4,539 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 How is the term "rebel spies" awkward or forced to assume they are rebels? The word is literally right there. That's like saying apple pie isn't made from apples. Link to post Share on other sites
DANA-kin Skywalker 354 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 It just makes that one line from ANH kind of awkward. That is all. It's like saying the type of pet you own is a barking dog. All dogs bark, so the clarification is unnecessary and awkward. It's just called a dog. If the spies were the actual rebels, it would be more natural to say "beamed to the ship by rebels". You don't need to say they are spies. The line still makes sense, it's just a little clunky now that the spies are in fact rebels (versus doing a job FOR the rebels). Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowDog 2,168 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I see what you're saying and I agree. Not a big deal, just clunky. Link to post Share on other sites
Driver 4,539 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Ya'lls crazy. Link to post Share on other sites
Iceheart 1,899 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Yes, this story could easily be confined to this movie alone. Knowing it's just a part of a larger story. End with Jyn beaming the plans to the Tantive and either escaping or dying. Personally I think she should die, they all should. Sacrifice for the larger good. The problem with her living is we never see her again. So they would establish she is a strong character, only to have her just dip at the end? Would be weak in my opinion. End it with the crew of the Tantive receiving the plans and handing the info to Leia. Well that's not going to happen because then she can't be Rey's mom and nyah. Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowDog 2,168 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Ya'lls crazy.You work with words as a job and you can't see that "rebel spies" is redundant? Link to post Share on other sites
Driver 4,539 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 In-universe maybe, but for the audience the crawl and the blockade runner scenes had to tell us everything we had to know about galactic politics and The Alliance. I think it was masterful. BOTHAN spies as opposed to OUR spies is way more confusing. Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowDog 2,168 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Also there's the issue that they never anticipated a one off prequel 40 years later that could clash with that dialogue. Link to post Share on other sites
Driver 4,539 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 I still don't see the issue really though. Rebel spies, rebel soldiers, rebel pilots, rebel leaders... not all rebels are the same! Link to post Share on other sites
Mara Jade Skywalker 958 Posted July 20, 2016 Share Posted July 20, 2016 Yeah, I don't get the issue either. I never assumed "rebel spies" weren't working for the rebellion. Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowDog 2,168 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 It's redundant. It's like saying "evil Nazis" or "smart genius" or "sneaky spy". You can do that ... but you sound a little silly. Link to post Share on other sites
Mara Jade Skywalker 958 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 But like Driver said, not all Rebels are spies. Link to post Share on other sites
Darth Krawlie 5,447 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 This is pretty high up on the list of ridiculous things argued about on nightly. How many times do they even say "rebel spies" anyway? I can only specifically recall Vader saying "I have traced the rebel spies to her." Link to post Share on other sites
Driver 4,539 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 THAT WAS THE ONLY TIMEand yeah the well is running dry... Link to post Share on other sites
Jacen123 1,711 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 All dogs barkFalse. Mine is as silent as a door. Sometimes he starts squeaking, but most of the time, he makes no noise. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 How many times have we heard "Russian spies" or "Chinese spies" or "North Korean hackers? Rebel spies matches how we frequently speak. Link to post Share on other sites
ShadowDog 2,168 Posted July 21, 2016 Share Posted July 21, 2016 Yeah because there's SO MUCH conversation happening these days we can afford to be choosy. Of course "This topic is not worthy of our time" is code for "You actually made a good point but now I'm irritated so I'll never admit it, so lemme get out of this by changing the conversation" Like I said way up there, it's not a big deal. It doesn't mean your precious movie sucks. It's just something that's true. We can move on. Link to post Share on other sites
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