Mara Jade Skywalker Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Stolen from a friend in response to screenrant: the only time the "star wars" movie franchise was ever about "artistic risks" instead of "delivering to the audience a homogeneous and reliable experience of popular entertainment from which everyone gets the exact same rush" was when a maverick independent filmmaker named george lucas wrote, directed, and produced three films in the late nineties/early aughts with his own money, following his own muse, and answering to absolutely no one. however you feel about how that worked out, it is an important distinction to understand in the light of the current upheavals surrounding the property. "star wars" is owned by disney: their job is to make sure that EVERYONE who watches "star wars" enjoys it, preferably in the closest approximate manner to the way that audiences in 1977 enjoyed the original (hopefully while fooling you into thinking that you are seeing the same story in a completely new way that is nevertheless completely evocative of the classic material) - the money at stake is in the BILLIONS, and the definition of "success" is matching the grosses of the single most successful, pop-culture-defining work in the history of the medium itself. consider this the next time you read an article accusing that evil and nasty woman kathleen kennedy of firing those two virtuous and artistically daring risk-takers from the han solo movie. maybe she is doing a very clearly-defined job in a very structured environment with stakes - and public attention - beyond anything anything any of us, even those in the business, can imagine... and whether you like it or not, her job is not to give to you personally what you think "star wars" SHOULD be, but rather a "star wars" the entire world CAN enjoy.People also need to remember that George Lucas hand-picked Kathleen Kennedy to take over Lucasfilm when he retired, and he also chose to sell to Disney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Jawa Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I would like to add, just in case we go too far the other way and start trumpeting the "Disney-Lucasfilm will always play it safe and never do anything different" mantra, they did release a movie last year where all of the protagonists died. Now of course they didn't do that without extensive audience testing and so on, but it shows they are willing to try different things, at least in the anthology movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANA-kin Skywalker Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I thought both jump street movies were pretty decent, and I loved the Lego movie. Definitely talented guys, but the kind of gags in those movies are a bad fit for a Star Wars movie. Not a particularly great fit in my opinion. That being said, anyone not on the inside are really just offering their best guess as to what exactly happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robin Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I heard that Kennedy walked in on Lord and Miller as they were double teaming the classic Yoda puppet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I heard the opposite. They walked in on her and Kasdan having their way with the old Jabba, and they got fired for not minding their own damn business Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen123 Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 That brings new meaning to "Jabba Flow" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANA-kin Skywalker Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Both highly probable theories. I mean, it's pretty clear someone walked in on someone screwing something from the original trilogy prop room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrian Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Whatever it was, you know Salacious Crumb was there, watching and laughing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucas1138 Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 lmao. Oh. Report: Lucasfilm was so concerned with Alden Ehrenreich's Han Solo performance it brought in an acting coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Robin Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Also coverage on scenes was apparently an issue. All that combined with a now likely comedic tone approach could have an effect on all actors involved. Perhaps like an impersonation in a SNL skit, you can see the person, they nail it for moments but it's a SNL skit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 lmao. Oh. Report: Lucasfilm was so concerned with Alden Ehrenreich's Han Solo performance it brought in an acting coach. The Hollywood Reporter article said that this was a direct result of the disagreement over the directing style. LFL didn't like the way Lord and Miller were directing Alden. Apparently Alden also expressed concern with the direction of the project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I know almost nothing about acting, but playing an iconic character can't be easy. Ehrenreich can't just put his own spin on the character. He has to act like Harrison Ford's Han Solo. At least Chris Pine's Kirk was from a different timeline, so he didn't have to act merely like a younger version of Shatner's Kirk. Ehrenreich doesn't even have that much excuse for differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 Thankfully I have no real interest in this movie. So other than the trailers I'll probably wind up seeing it without any sort of knowledge or expectations. I tried reading The Han Solo and Lando books years ago and just gave up because they didn't grab me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durty D Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 More info keeps "leaking" on LFL's disappointment with Lord and Millar. Turns out they weren't getting the coverage that was expected. Limited camera set ups, not enough angles, not enough range of delivery from the actors. I'm guessing LFL learned from what went wrong on RO and wanted to limit their exposure by having enough footage that they could basically take over in editing...I guess that didn't happen and Lord and Miller were let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I think it's simple, these guys basically make tongue in cheek movies. Lucasfilm wanted aspects of that in this movie but these guys were going all out and making one of their movies. Rather that making a Star Wars movie infused with their stye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odine Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I think it's simple, these guys basically make tongue in cheek movies. Lucasfilm wanted aspects of that in this movie but these guys were going all out and making one of their movies. Rather that making a Star Wars movie infused with their stye.Which makes you wonder what the hell those guys were thinking?? As if Lucasfilm/Disney would ever let them do just what they want. Delusions of grandeur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Jawa Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Maybe they were trying to give it that authentic Star Wars feel. I mean, I never had the impression that Lucas did more than one take of any shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen123 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 He took tons of shots in the PT, at least. He had a habit of digitally connecting pieces from various takes into one shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Multiple shots-- but only two drafts of the script, the second of which was finished while shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen123 Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 Lord and Miller shot first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Filthy Jawa Posted June 28, 2017 Share Posted June 28, 2017 He took tons of shots in the PT, at least. He had a habit of digitally connecting pieces from various takes into one shot.Seems he couldn't digitally connect many good performances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted July 6, 2017 Share Posted July 6, 2017 Rather that making a Star Wars movie infused with their stye.That's kind of gross. And yet it is still accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Darth Hunter Posted September 2, 2017 Share Posted September 2, 2017 Ron Howard is really making this his own. Probably should've just hired someone like him from the start. http://screenrant.com/han-solo-paul-bettany-replacing-michael-k-williams/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrian Posted September 4, 2017 Share Posted September 4, 2017 I guess we know what'll be on the DVD now - Williams' deleted scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyrian Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 So what do we think of the title? "Solo: A Star Wars Story" As my friend said, it's a real anticlimax, and when I told my missus, her exact words were, well that's a bit shit, and I can't say I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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