Poe Dameron Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 So first thing I noticed tonight, they didn't shake hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Town hall format. None of these guys are actually answering the first undecided question about modeling good behavior for kids watching these campaign things. In other news, HOLY CRAP? Do we still have undecided people? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I'm more shocked that there are people who HAVE decided to vote for one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc DuQuesne Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I just knew he would make a campaign promise out of locking her up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 One question from the audience so far. Can't say I'm disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 The Letter C! Also OMG! I feel like I'm at work right now. I may go back to the Packers playing instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc DuQuesne Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 In other news, HOLY CRAP? Do we still have undecided people?More and more all the time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Can't say I've decided who I'm going to vote for. Just know that it won't be one of these two bozos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 God these moderators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I kinda want the audience to respond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc DuQuesne Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 "Syria is not no longer Syria, It's Russia now" He stumbled pretty close to the truth there somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc DuQuesne Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 It depresses me that they don't mention nuclear power when talking about energy. I hope for it every time the energy topic comes up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I stopped watching. Went for a long walk. Dropped some dirty litter in the dumpster and switched channels to Giants/Packers. I think I won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Y'know, the funny part in all this is that I think Trump has won both the debates on matters of actual policy. But those first 30 minutes were painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 https://youtu.be/98AJUj-qxHI Talking Heads man. Same as it ever was. Not sure how you can say Trump won this one. He looked like he was a kid about to burst and I am not sure what reality he's in. Clean coal, repealing EPA restrictions and steel were the biggest facepalm ones for me. No one was swayed by this one and it's just missed opportunities. For both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 Clean coal, repealing EPA restrictions and steel were the biggest facepalm ones for me. Obama administration EPA rules on coal are a very much debatable as an example of a raw exercise in regulatory overreach. The administration pretty much had a policy goal of using the EPA to cripple the industry. And Clinton basically agreed with him on the premise of the steel thing. So I don't think either really qualify as facepalm moments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 As for in general, I think that they're both wrong on most things. For example, can anything about the Obama Administration's foreign policy be defended? So I look at more style than substance. And Trump has done fine when the debate isn't about tossing mud around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted October 10, 2016 Share Posted October 10, 2016 I would tend to say you are right, but then again, people said the same about Obama. Anyone who thought Obama would be an easy win was fooling themselves. Need proof? Notice that no one other than Romney bothered to run in 2012. Not to say it's wasn't impossible, in fact, I think that Hurricane Sandy cost Romney the victory. But it was never going to be easy.Not the point. A lot of people thought Obama was going to be a 1 term president. I never said anything about an easy election. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 So someone at work mentioned that gerrymandering by the GOP made it harder to get Democrats elected but it also gave more power to the least desirable of the GOP extremists in their party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Transducer X Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 So someone at work mentioned that gerrymandering by the GOP made it harder to get Democrats elected but it also gave more power to the least desirable of the GOP extremists in their party.http://www.salon.com/2016/06/05/the_gop_screwed_themselves_the_brilliant_gerrymander_that_gave_republicans_the_congress_and_created_donald_trump/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted October 11, 2016 Share Posted October 11, 2016 So someone at work mentioned that gerrymandering by the GOP made it harder to get Democrats elected but it also gave more power to the least desirable of the GOP extremists in their party. That's true of both parties. More the Democrats than Republicans if you want the truth. The Republican Congress is actually fairly meek and has pretty much ceded vast powers to the Democrat president without a fight, preferring to attack their voters who wondered why they wet their pants anytime the president threatened to shut down the government and blame them for it. THAT's a good chunk of the reason Trump came to power. I've long been advocating for a Constitutional Amendment that turned redistricting chores over to a simple computer program that ignored all data except pure population and made the districts as close to regular square-shaped as possible. You do that, and that would skyrocket the number of truly swing districts and cause Congress's membership to become much more ideologically diversified. Unfortunately, it could never be passed because it would probably make Congress less racially diversified. Which is unfortunate because if more minorities lived in districts that were competitive instead of ideological monopolies carved that way to gain a predetermined minority majority seat, it would really help them in the long run even if there were a few less members of the Congressional Black or Hispanic Caucuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 So someone at work mentioned that gerrymandering by the GOP made it harder to get Democrats elected but it also gave more power to the least desirable of the GOP extremists in their party.http://www.salon.com/2016/06/05/the_gop_screwed_themselves_the_brilliant_gerrymander_that_gave_republicans_the_congress_and_created_donald_trump/ I'm pretty sure that's the article he may have read. We've had some pretty good conversations in the teachers lunch room. I think the GOP was weakened by the Tea Party. People are essentially getting sick of it all and while fiscal responsibility sounds fantastic actually voting on things we care about would be even better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I think the GOP was weakened by the Tea Party. There was nothing wrong with the Tea Party. It was a fairly harmless movement based on fiscal restraint. For that matter, it was a boomlet that started in 2009 and really didn't have much juice beyond the 2010 elections. Fiscal restraint hasn't been a top priority among any level of Republican activity at the national level for some time (though it got a decent foothold at the local level) and the number of politicians who describe themselves as "Tea Party" members has dropped dramatically. It just became a bogeyman of the left and misappropriated term from some opportunists on the right that was used to incorrectly describe all right-wing conservatives like neocon was misused 10 years ago. Don't like something that's coming from the Republican camp? Blame it on the "Tea Party" whatever the heck that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Kurgan Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 There was nothing wrong with the Tea Party. It was a fairly harmless movement based on fiscal restraint. For that matter, it was a boomlet that started in 2009 and really didn't have much juice beyond the 2010 elections. Fiscal restraint hasn't been a top priority among any level of Republican activity at the national level for some time (though it got a decent foothold at the local level) and the number of politicians who describe themselves as "Tea Party" members has dropped dramatically. It just became a bogeyman of the left and misappropriated term from some opportunists on the right that was used to incorrectly describe all right-wing conservatives like neocon was misused 10 years ago. Don't like something that's coming from the Republican camp? Blame it on the "Tea Party" whatever the heck that is. If it's any consolation to you Poe, the Tea Party will be off the hook now. The alt-right is going to be the establishment's bogeyman for the next little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeygirl Posted October 12, 2016 Share Posted October 12, 2016 I think the GOP was weakened by the Tea Party. There was nothing wrong with the Tea Party. It was a fairly harmless movement based on fiscal restraint. For that matter, it was a boomlet that started in 2009 and really didn't have much juice beyond the 2010 elections. Fiscal restraint hasn't been a top priority among any level of Republican activity at the national level for some time (though it got a decent foothold at the local level) and the number of politicians who describe themselves as "Tea Party" members has dropped dramatically. It just became a bogeyman of the left and misappropriated term from some opportunists on the right that was used to incorrectly describe all right-wing conservatives like neocon was misused 10 years ago. Don't like something that's coming from the Republican camp? Blame it on the "Tea Party" whatever the heck that is. NOTHING WRONG with the TEA party? A movement of ignorance from day ONE. The USA taxes its citizens less than almost any other country and we had the lowest tax rates in decades when it started. I'd call that fatally flawed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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