Cerina Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I would LOVE to see this explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Fine: The whole story is about two people who are attracted to each other but have incompatible lifestyles falling in love. You substitute the bondage stuff for class differences, feuding families, one has had a tough life and doesn't believe in true love, one is dying and pushing the other away, distance, overcoming addiction, one's got a kid, one or both are married, they're not of the same race and people don't approve, and any other storyline you can think of and it it serves the same purpose. The story is still two people falling in love. That the guy's erections are dependent on making her bottom red and her not appreciating that quirk is just another obstacle to overcome. I'm sure there'll be even more considering its a trilogy. By the third book/movie either she'll come to accept him as he is, or he'll change his ways. And love will win the day. Happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 OR Some really lonely housewife couldn't deal with there being more Twilight books so she wrote some of her own whack off material, and a bunch of other lonely housewives also whacked off to it. One find/replace session and a publisher later-- PROFIT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen123 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Aaaaaand we're back to fan fiction again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 OR Some really lonely housewife couldn't deal with there being more Twilight books so she wrote some of her own whack off material, and a bunch of other lonely housewives also whacked off to it. One find/replace session and a publisher later-- PROFIT!A romance novel designed to be masturbation fuel for middle-aged women? Well that's just crazy talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Look, I am super pro erotica and pro fanfic, but 50 Shades of Grey is an awful example of both and should NOT be an example of a good romance. It's an abusive relationship, plain and simple. Read Roni Loren (or a ton of authors who actually do research) if you want an example of GOOD BDSM erotica (yes, it exists). (There's nothing wrong with liking 50 Shades, but it's problematic and that needs to be acknowledged.) Also, research EL James' background before you bash fanfic as a whole. She's not a typical fic writer; she basically used a built in fanbase that she despised to make a career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Look, I am super pro erotica and pro fanfic, but 50 Shades of Grey is an awful example of both and should NOT be an example of a good romance.This is exactly why I didn't want to get into this. Just by accurately classifying the genre, it looks like I'm defending the book/movie. Here's the original post and the context: There's plenty of money to be made off of romance. If Fifty Shades of Grey and Twilight films can do it, there's a huge audience out anxious for a mega-romance to be made and done right. I didn't say it was a good romance. I said it was a romance. The point being that if the likes Fifty Shades of Grey and Twilight films can make a ton of money, there's an audience out there waiting to dump buckets of money on the genre. Not exactly a positive endorsement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I don't think you're defending it. I just don't consider stories that depict abusive relationships to be part of the romance genre. Also, Twilight was a paranormal romance, and YA, which is very very very different from pure romance. None of this has anything to do with Star Wars, though, because Star Wars wouldn't and shouldn't have a pure romance story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 The various sub-genres and mixing of genres are a separate matter. It doesn't have to be "pure" to qualify. Titanic was a romantic movie and a disaster movie at the same time. And whether it's a healthy relationship is not particularly relevant. The bodice rippers of the 70s and 80s were hardly models of good relationships, but they formed the backbone of a distinct brand of American romance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odine Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I don't think you're defending it. I just don't consider stories that depict abusive relationships to be part of the romance genre. Also, Twilight was a paranormal romance, and YA, which is very very very different from pure romance. None of this has anything to do with Star Wars, though, because Star Wars wouldn't and shouldn't have a pure romance story. It's hardly an abusive relationship. It's just a bit of light spanking and a couple ball gags here and there. There is a reason French classification gave it a PG-12 rating. It's still a load of shit though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevil Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 There's nothing wrong with liking 50 Shades, but it's problematicWell there is if you're a feminist... I always wondered about this conundrum. Why is 50 Shades acceptable in today's world?? A man exercising his dominance over a woman. Abusing her. And it's women who made it popular. Record book sales and big lines at the cinema. Maybe someone can explain?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 FWIW, I was poking at Fifty Shades, but I refer to all of those Harlequin (and similar) "romance" novels as porn. They're porn for 50 year old women, but they're still porn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 50 Shades isn't abusive because of spanking and light BDSM, it's abusive because of the ways Christian treats Ana. Look up any "are you in an abusive relationship?" checklist and they're all in 50 Shades. Dominance/submission is all about sex and has nothing to do with feminism. There are plenty of strong, empowered women who enjoy being dominated. This conversation still has nothing to do with Poe Dameron liking dudes, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 This conversation still has nothing to do with Poe Dameron liking dudes, lol. I'm still curious if this is all being based of the Ellen interview, or if there's more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen123 Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Are you implying that, in addition to acting, Oscar Isaac is also a caterer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I've seen it on the Ellen interview and a few other places online. John Boyega gave an interview and said Finn/Poe was "all in Oscar's head" or something like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevil Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 50 Shades isn't abusive because of spanking and light BDSM, it's abusive because of the ways Christian treats Ana. Look up any "are you in an abusive relationship?" checklist and they're all in 50 Shades. Dominance/submission is all about sex and has nothing to do with feminism. There are plenty of strong, empowered women who enjoy being dominated. This conversation still has nothing to do with Poe Dameron liking dudes, lol. I didn't mention sex. I just said he was abusing her agreeing with your earlier statement. Doesn't liking and watching this sort of thing go completely against the feminist agenda?? Why do so many women like it?? Sorry for going off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I don't know. I don't like it. That said, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with liking something problematic as long as you recognize it as such. Guilty pleasure, and all that, or just the ability to separate fiction with reality. Which, I mean, goes with most entertainment; the most interesting characters are usually the people you'd least like to have as friends. (See also: Kylo Ren.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 jesus christ wtf is going on in here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 Something about R2 and BB8 having gay droid sex leading to talk about all the Star Wars slash fan fiction out there. All that mentioned, yet I've not seen one person talk about Kylo Ren weirdly leaning over Rey saying "you know I can take what I want." I needed a shower after watching that. Maybe it's because I've actually watched a season of Girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted January 12, 2016 Author Share Posted January 12, 2016 watched a season and a half of girls but forgot most of it except for when the one attractive girl in the cast was unable to stop herself from masturbating after meeting that artist dude i definitely remember that scene also i think somebody mentioned buttplugs maybe a page ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I'd post that gif of Marnie getting her ass eaten out if weren't completely inappropriate lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metropolis Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 https://youtu.be/MEcI0rD_SyM The beginning of this scene is so Kylo Ren. I couldn't help but connect the two. Escially when Ren took his helmet off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted January 12, 2016 Share Posted January 12, 2016 I didn't see that as Kylo threatening physical rape, just mental rape. But most people have sex on the brain 24/7 so I can see them reading that into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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