Stevil Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 There was the bit where Kylo Ren asked Vader to show him how to be like him... That line seemed a little strange when I heard it. Maybe a remnant from an earlier script? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted December 25, 2015 Share Posted December 25, 2015 Didn't anybody fully read the text? It was an idea pitched by concept artists. The producers, writers and director all said NOPE. Half the article is speculation that Christensen will be in Episode VIII and how the concept art fits that idea. At no time does the story debunk the notion.The text in the actual art book says it was Ian MCraig's idea based on a idea session with Kennedy, Arndt and others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberSix Posted December 26, 2015 Share Posted December 26, 2015 I've only ever seen him outside of SW in the movie where he's still concious during a heart transplant and he was great in that. Small sample size admittedly.Haven't seen that one, but I thought Christensen was fine in Shattered Glass.That was a while back, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Palpatine Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 I don't have a problem with Anakin showing up as a force ghost. I just don't want it to be some Anakin/Vader hybrid. His arc was completed when he was redeemed. Having him connected to Vader would be very counterproductive for the original trilogy. If there was any Vader left in his spirit, it would trash the idea that Luke was so powerful he could turn Vader back to the light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 No lie. Not just bashing. But for reals-- when I hear "Anakin Skywalker" I alway, ALWAYS, every single time, first think of this video, 47 seconds in: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SATDIAL Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 The "show me again" makes me think: Is Vader is really gone? or Is Snoke playing with Kylo`s head ? Making him think that he has ocasional encounters with twisted ol grandpa. If that is so...why is the real ghost Anakin allowing this to happen. He must be around...given what is heard during Rey`s vision, Obi-Wan and Yoda are actually looking after her (or at least Obi) Another thing...when Kylo takes off his mask while interrogating Rey, he places his mask over a pile of dirt? Ashes? what was that?Vaders ashes? IMHO Anakin`s ghost is coming back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Nope. No Anakin force ghost. Is it that difficult to distinguish between what would be "kewl" and what is narratively necessary? No wonder Star Wars fans are unpleasable; you've all developed a penchant for expecting your "head canon" to pop up on screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I don’t want to see an Anakin\Vader force ghost, either. However, the idea itself would be cool, if used on an Obi Wan force ghost, where it shifts from old Ben (Alec ), to young Obi Wan (Ewan), through CGI. Wouldn’t exactly be in line with the OT, but it would be a cool way to include Ewan McGregor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 OR, just give Ewan McGregor his own damn movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SATDIAL Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I don’t want to see an Anakin\Vader force ghost, either. However, the idea itself would be cool, if used on an Obi Wan force ghost, where it shifts from old Ben (Alec ), to young Obi Wan (Ewan), through CGI. Wouldn’t exactly be in line with the OT, but it would be a cool way to include Ewan McGregor. I mean, It would be super cool if done right. Clearly Kylo has had somekind of a connection with Vader (or whatever he thought was Vader) hence the "Show me again" ...but I see your point.... It is easier to mess it up than make it right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 OR, just give Ewan McGregor his own damn movie That would bemy prference, actually. And I am not arguing it should be done. I was just saying the concept of a morphing force ghost could have potential, and I think that would be a good way to do it, if it were to be done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I used to worry that the dark side in any form would ruin Luke's victory in ROTJ, but I ultimately decided if the dark side returned in the form of something new I could accept it, and thankfully that's what they did. But Anakin's ghost being any part Vader flies in the face of both Luke and Vader's arcs. I hope we never see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I'm in full agreement with you on anakins ghost morphing to Vader. Makes no sense unless it is a false vision created by snoke. But that's not really necessary. I'm just saying if a morphing force ghost idea was used, I think obi wan would be better. But this was just a random observation, not something I'm dying to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Djo Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Nooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!! Phew. Glad I got that off my chest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 If it's stated up front that a Vadar ghost is just a Snoke trick to manipulate Ben I could roll with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANA-kin Skywalker Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 Before TFA, nobody would have ever dreamed of a Vader morphing force ghost. Like Driver put, it simply flies in the face of Luke and Vader's character arcs, and the whole concept of force ghosts in general. Something caused this idea to be planted into people's heads. Because of this, this notion of a Vader morph ghost was perhaps part of the original Arndt script before it was rewritten, back when rumors of Haydontactagain Christiensen might have had a role in these new movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 The idea came from Ian McCraig who is a great artist but a bad storyteller apparently. He was asked to do concepts with only "30 years after ROTJ" as a guideline. No script. So he was spitballing ideas. That's the beginning and end of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 That's what they want you to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HantheMann Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I actually like the visual from the art book of a screwed up looking anakin/vader ghost. I wouldn't mind seeing it so long as it's in the context of Snoke causing Kylo Ren to see this ghost and using it to manipulate him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 6, 2016 Share Posted January 6, 2016 I'd rather see it as a vision that Luke has, that is if we had to see it at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANA-kin Skywalker Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Nah. I really really just don't want to see it. It should go like this: if Vader was redeemed, then he ends up a good guy and ghosty. Bad guys don't get ghostiness. They would rather have immortality at the expense of enlightenment, so they can't have it both ways. Morphing ghosty should be impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I just realized one context in which I would like it. Ben is the opposite of Luke in the OT. Luke would get Light Side advice from OB1. So if it's Ben getting Dark Side advice from Vadar that I'd another interesting parallel. I know I know it undermines ROTJ and Anikan's arc. I get that. I'm just saying I actually like the Villain's Journey parallels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Vadar and Anikan? Are you watching some weird Turkish version of the movies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Wader Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 Maybe Snoke is an old Sith ghost. Dark side ghosts just transmit in colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 I would have liked that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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