Darth Krawlie Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 It'd be so much more interesting if he didn't. We've had a falling arc in the PT, and redemption arc in the OT, why not a going evil and sticking to it arc for the ST? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odine Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Totally. I don't get the logic that if it happened in the OT then it MUST be adhered to in the ST. Like how on earth does Kylo Ren NOT being redeemed undermine Vader's redemption? That's just crazy talk. Vader's story is his own. Kylo's his own. I really hope the writers can stop playing lip service to what has come before and do something new, bold an unexpected. Fandom's expectations be damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I get what you're saying about its about echos. The franchise has always been about that. What's most interesting to me is how the others feel about him now. Leia for instance. A mother never gives up on her kid ... but Han was the love of her life. How would you write that, Mara? I'm curious how the writers will deal with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Because Star Wars had one of the biggest twists in movie history people seem to expect massive conspiracies when mostly, Star Wars is very simple and straight forward. This is being presented as a mystery though. It wouldn't need to be a massive conspiracy to use the most obvious answer as a red herring. Particularly given that the clues in that direction are rather subtle to the point where you can't discount the idea that you MAY be imagining those clues in the first place. Anyway-- tricking us into thinking she is a Skywalker would be pointless. That would imply the truth is somehow bigger. Not bigger, just different. I can go both ways. If she turns out to be a Skywalker, then Rey and Ben are two aspects of Anakin. Rey as the innocent that was found in Tatooine. Ben as his transition to Vader. If she turns out to be born from Palpatine, then she follows Luke's path of finding herself burdened with a legacy of evil. This fits in with Kylo Ren seeking redemption and the role that Rey would have in achieving that end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 SD: If they go the redemption route, I want Leia to be gung-ho about it and really, really involved in what happens. She needs to go along with Luke to the Death Star this time, so to speak. A mother's love, and all that. Luke, also, because he never gives up on people. Rey, on the other hand, will be the skeptical one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Yeah I agree. Leia has to be involved if it's redemption. If it's death as a bad guy ... I don't really want her having a hand in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Yeah, same. I actually saw some really amazing fanart of Rey stabbing Kylo through the chest and him saying "thank you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svenn Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Watching it the other night I thought it was telling that Han offered Rey a job just after she tells him her name. As though it confirmed his suspicion about who she was, and he needed to find a way to keep her around. But it's easy to read into things, of course. Edit: on the Kylo subject, what would redemption look like in the Star Wars world when the redeemed person doesn't immediately die? Unless Kylo single-handedly destroyed Snoke and then took out most of the First Order, would anybody (non-family) trust that he was redeemed? Even if most people forgave him, wouldn't there be a political desire to hold him accountable for his actions? Star Wars XII: The Trial of Ben sounds pretty lame. Just typing train of thought, though, maybe he would exile himself "forever," but later be called on by Rey or somebody else out of desperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 Latest internet theory-- Rogue One's star is Rey's mom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Is that what the anthology films are for - to answer questions from other films? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 No-- they are to make money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I get what you're saying about its about echos. The franchise has always been about that. What's most interesting to me is how the others feel about him now. Leia for instance. A mother never gives up on her kid ... but Han was the love of her life. How would you write that, Mara? I'm curious how the writers will deal with that.I would say Leia has intense hatred of Kylo and she double-downs on leading the Resistance to destroy the First Order and Kylo, but Luke may still want to redeem Kylo. This would then cause a rift between Luke and Leia. Latest internet theory-- Rogue One's star is Rey's mom.Haven't seen that, yet. I suppose its possible that Rey's last name could be revealed as Erso, but I think that would kind of suck, and at this point I have accepted Rey as a Skywalker. If Rey isn't, it would be a let down to me. I also hope Rogue One characters are self contained and kept separate from the Skywalker kinfolks. That said, I have seen comparisons of Jyn Erso to Jan Ors (of the Dark Forces\Jedi Knight video game series), to the point people are saying they are one and the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Edit: on the Kylo subject, what would redemption look like in the Star Wars world when the redeemed person doesn't immediately die? Maybe it'd look like Episode X? The films are apparently going to keep on going. So redemption doesn't have to be a one and done thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 There's an old comics story where one of the characters was redeemed from the dark side but lost the ability to use the Force. I always thought that was an interesting idea to explore, and wouldn't mind them going that way with Kylo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 I get what you're saying about its about echos. The franchise has always been about that. What's most interesting to me is how the others feel about him now. Leia for instance. A mother never gives up on her kid ... but Han was the love of her life. How would you write that, Mara? I'm curious how the writers will deal with that.I would say Leia has intense hatred of Kylo and she double-downs on leading the Resistance to destroy the First Order and Kylo, but Luke may still want to redeem Kylo. This would then cause a rift between Luke and Leia. Latest internet theory-- Rogue One's star is Rey's mom.Haven't seen that, yet. I suppose its possible that Rey's last name could be revealed as Erso, but I think that would kind of suck, and at this point I have accepted Rey as a Skywalker. If Rey isn't, it would be a let down to me. I also hope Rogue One characters are self contained and kept separate from the Skywalker kinfolks. That said, I have seen comparisons of Jyn Erso to Jan Ors (of the Dark Forces\Jedi Knight video game series), to the point people are saying they are one and the same. Leia doesn't hate Kylo-- she's the one person in TFA that knows he's conflicted and wants him back. And part of the Jyn being Rey's mom theory is that she hooks up with Luke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 There's an old comics story where one of the characters was redeemed from the dark side but lost the ability to use the Force. Ulic Qel-Droma? Killed his brother if I recall and was stripped of his powers by Nomi Sunrider. It is one way. The outcome was interesting at least, he went on to apprentice Nomi Sunrider's daughter even though he couldn't touch the Force anymore. That would make for a good continuation of the character in the future. Though, I somewhat doubt they'll use old comics as much of a resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 No-- they are to make money.Will explaining unanswered questions from other films help them make money? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Choc Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Her being Reys mom seems very impractical. Rogue One takes place roughly 15 years before Rey is even born, so the revelation can't come in Rogue One. The numbered Episodes are going to be far more watched and popular than the other movies. I don't think there will be a callback to Rogue one in XIII or IX because alot of people watching won't be familar with Rogue One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Ah, all the people just now theorizing that Jyn=Rey's mom makes me smile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted April 9, 2016 Author Share Posted April 9, 2016 What if Rogue One overlaps ANH and ends on a shot of Jyn and Luke eye-ing each other up. SPLAINS IT ALL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 I suppose it is possible the "Rogue One" could end up being her ending up in Luke's Rogue Squadron or something up there with Luke fighting the Death Star and all that, but it'd be odd to insert a love interest for Luke into the Original Trilogy. If Luke ended up with a wife and Rey to go along with his super premature aging (seriously, people complain about the Ewan McGreggor/Alec Guiness gap not being realistic?), I really think that story needs to take place after Return of the Jedi. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good God a Bear Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 What if Rogue One overlaps ANH and ends on a shot of Jyn and Luke eye-ing each other up. SPLAINS IT ALLAs long as there is porn music when it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Apparently Luke likes cougars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted April 9, 2016 Share Posted April 9, 2016 Ain't nothing wrong with cougars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poe Dameron Posted April 10, 2016 Share Posted April 10, 2016 Do we know how old she's supposed to be? I mean, Felicity Jones has a very young face. She can still get away with playing a teenager if they want to push it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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