Ms. Spam Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Say you got arrested for 3 grams of meth and gun possession and it was your third strike. How long should you stay in jail? This dude in OK has life. A guy who raped a 4 year old has been released for good behavior and a guy who murdered someone. But the dude who was stupid enough to get pulled over with a unregistered gun and "recreational" meth is not even considered for parole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 He should definitely do time for gun possession. Life sentence is ridiculous, though, as are "strikes" and "mandatory minimums." Is it really a life sentence, by the way, or is it a "life sentence with possibility parole in x-number-of years?" Either way, it's probably too long. Story time: a friend of mine made the mistake of being brown and getting into an altercation with another kid whose dad was a lawyer. Had to jump through some insane hoops to avoid a ridiculous sentence for what was essentially a shoving/shouting match that had escalated too far -- and still ended up spending several months in prison. Ironically, he had entered the fray trying to break up the fight (it was initially between his brother and the lawyer kid). In summary and conclusion, what Spam describes (and what I described) is a lazy and stupid way to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Important pertinent detail left out-- What were his first two strikes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 I'd say probably more drug offenses. It came up at a Christmas party as we were talking about a co-worker who has a son incarcerated in Oklahoma. OK has very harsh drug penalties from some general research I just did. I didn't press it with the teacher friend though. Then tonight as I'm folding laundry CBS or NBC was doing their nightly news cast and they were talking about this topic about how America spends a lot of money storing people who get arrested for drug offenses. I probably could post more but I get so lazy when I do this on my phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Life sentence is ridiculous, though, as are "strikes" and "mandatory minimums." Is it really a life sentence, by the way, or is it a "life sentence with possibility parole in x-number-of years?" Either way, it's probably too long. I agree with 3 strikes if they are violent crimes like serious physical or sexual assault, and mandatory minimums if they are for those type of crimes. But not enough info on this case to say I agree or disagree here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I don't. Not that I don't support long prison sentences for convicted rapists and the like, of course. Just that I think strikes/minimums, while well-intentioned, cause more problems than they solve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I think it makes more sense to allow more judicial latitude in issuing stricter sentences, without requiring them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeygirl Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 WAIT "recreational" meth?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 well there is recreational meth then there is competitive mething bottom line is nobody should be imprisoned for recreational meth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Stupid people should be in jail long enough to read all the novels written since the Tale of Genji. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 I am thinking this teacher lady's son if left to his own devices would be dead by now. Every recreational meth user I have encountered looks like death warmed over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted December 14, 2015 Author Share Posted December 14, 2015 WAIT "recreational" meth??That is the term mama used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 mama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I don't think stupid people should go to jail at all. They should just roam free and give us a moving target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest El Chalupacabra Posted December 15, 2015 Share Posted December 15, 2015 I don't. Not that I don't support long prison sentences for convicted rapists and the like, of course. Just that I think strikes/minimums, while well-intentioned, cause more problems than they solve.Well, I agree to disagree then. I don't support blanket 3 strikes laws, and feel the three strikes should be 3 separate incidents of violent crime. If the criminal has two priors for violent crime, then commits a 3rd violent crime, I think society is better off locking that criminal away for the rest of their life. We should keep in mind, however, we are talking about convicted felons, who have been given chance after chance. If a guy is a twice convicted felon, then gets popped for gun possession and meth possession, he is likelyto have broke several laws there. First, the meth possession. If he is using, he is likely a violent POS. If he is dealing, he's still a POS. Second, being a twice convicted felon, he is not allowed to legally own a gun. Ever. So that leads to the third point, how did he get the gun in the first place? He either stole it himself, obtained it from someone else through ill-gotten means, or bought it from someone who shouldn't have sold it to him. No legit gun shop would sell a twice convicted felon a gun. So, that is likely 3 laws he broke. Not to mention why he has a gun in the first place: presumably to intimidate someone, or commit a crime. In this case, maybe the third strike was not a commission of a violent crime, but I think if his other prior crimes were violent, then considering past crimes, and his third one, it is reasonable to assume (in my opinion, anyway) that he is intent on committing a third violent act somewhere down the road. When someone demonstrates a pattern of behavior that shows a threat to society, and continues to do it over and over, at some point you just have to lock them up for good, as far as I am concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANA-kin Skywalker Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I'm in favor of a 2 strikes policy for certain crimes. Specifically, if you rape or murder someone, and you serve your time, and you either rape or murder someone else, your freedom is forever forfeit. If you murder as say...deal drugs, posess illegal arms, whatever, you serve even more time...more time than a first time offender, but not life in prison. I generally believe in second chances. I don't believe in third chances. More chances equals more victims. In this case, life seems excessive, but honestly rehabilitation is not working for this guy. It's hard to rally behind someone who repeatedly screws up his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeygirl Posted December 16, 2015 Share Posted December 16, 2015 I'm not in favor of any blanket laws at this point. They seem too simplistic and cannot take any circumstances into account. Why did we stop trusting judges to do their jobs, whether it's the SCOTUS or simple local positions? I'd also really like to see this country re-vamp our entire substance/legal system. What we have now is a patched-up raft of crap left over from the Hearst/Anslinger era thatwas meant only to oppress minorities and the DARE program was the last, failed remnants of that idiocy. If we treated drug addiction as a health issue, rather than a crime, many of these situations would never get to this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANA-kin Skywalker Posted December 19, 2015 Share Posted December 19, 2015 It's not a blanket law if criteria must be satisfied. Judges are appointed, have biases, and are human. Some people don't feel justice is always served if left entirely in their hands and think parameters should be set. Plus it takes some of the guesswork out, making their jobs easier. If we treated drug addiction as a health issue, rather than a crime, many of these situations would never get to this point.What does that even mean? Legalize everything and have more rehabs? You are going to have more addicts, more overdoses, more deaths...but at least they won't go to jail? Is that really preferable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeygirl Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Not necessarily blanket legalization, though I'm not entirely opposed to thatRemember legalization doesn't mean free or unrestricted. This country has many more problems with legal drugsright now than we do with illegal substances.It can mean not jailing first-time offenders if they're simply users and not, like,selling in bulk or cartel members. It means not taking people's property away for drug offenses. Andit means treatment in place of incarceration. And everywhere this has been done, it actually lowersthe number of addicts, lowers the number of overdoses, greatly reduces prison population, which in itselfhas multiple benefits and it lowers crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted December 21, 2015 Author Share Posted December 21, 2015 I think my biggest issue is that child rapers and murderers get less time in jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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