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Ooh - that’s a decent amount of time to focus on “Gene”. Nice.

Looking forward to watching the latest episode tonight - we get them on Tuesdays to download on Netflix in the UK, so just had to get through the working day, and get our 3 year old up to bed, and then can relax and enjoy it!

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Having just rewatched the whole run, it really does shift once Chuck dies tonally. I remember the first season feeling like WAIT THIS ISN'T SAUL WHAT IS HAPPENING, and then realized it was a slow burn

It's got Mike. That had me sold.   Knowing it has the same crew and writer's room as Breaking Bad means I'll stay. Everyone I know of who's read/seen the pilot says it's as good as BB as the whole tea

I'll check it out for what amounts to the same combination of reasons BB initially appealed to me : AMC + cool main actor + Vince Gilligan.   but if no Marie by ep4 then I am gone

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I basically have no predictions whatsoever for what will happen to who. Outside of, of course, y’know, obvious stuff that’s demanded by the constraints of this being a prequel to already established events we’ve seen for ourselves. The show’s had such a consistent capacity to successfully and satisfyingly surprise both in terms of able execution of storytelling gambits which I would’ve assumed before the fact to be absolutely totally no go areas things like a secret origin story for Mike, or bringing Gus Fring into things in a substantial fashion, or offing Chuck and also just the standard meat’n’potatoes kind of stuff that it does so well.

BUT

If forced to actively and futilely speculate as to where they’re going to go I’m going with the obvious and guessing full tragedy. Kim dead at Lalo’s hand probably after painfully breaking off the relationship (to protect Jimmy?), (oh wait!? what if Mike kills her! I’m putting my chips into death by Mike on Gus’s orders!), Lalo alive to deal with Jimmy/Saul/Gene in the present day, Howard Hamlin better off than ever. I mean, whatever happens, it’s going to look great!!!1!

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Having just rewatched the whole run, it really does shift once Chuck dies tonally. I remember the first season feeling like WAIT THIS ISN'T SAUL WHAT IS HAPPENING, and then realized it was a slow burn. When he first started wearing the colorful suits to get himself fired from Davis and Main it locked in how slow of a burn it would be.

I've honestly never seen a prequel manage to do so well as giving us really in depth and new stuff for characters we know the fate of. Saul and Mike's histories are now so complex and interesting. I do recall one plot point in BB, that Saul only then realized Mike worked for Fring. 

What's been cool is that the two shows kind of mirror each other now. BCS had Mike and the Salamancas from the start, but it didn't start getting big until Gus was re-introduced. And that happened as Chuck was leaving the story. So you have the show making a big shift into the bigger world halfway through.

Interestingly, in BB, they had to contend with Tuco, and a bit of Hector, and low level Salamanca guys early on-- but once a again, the big shifts happen once Walt met Gus... which was facilitated by Saul. Once Saul comes into BB, all the bigger shifts occur and he's the one that helps Walt level up to kingpin. So in BOTH shows, Saul is the lynchpin to the bigger world of cartel crime.

 

 

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Yeah, spot on Tank. It was a slowish start in the initial watch way back when, but being able to binge it recently - so much fun!

There were so many points where I was willing Jimmy to “go left instead of right”, but we all know what’s coming and that transformation to BB Saul we all know.

Kim - yes, she could be in trouble from Lalo, or even Tuco who must be due out of prison soonish to start his prep for building his network he has in place in BB. Saul doesn’t come in to BB until after Tuco is dead, so maybe that’s an option for that time period and have Lalo in the Gene era.

But the way that last episode went, you feel Gus won’t be the “relaxed” person we see in BB if Lalo is not dealt with. He was very paranoid hey.

And what’s going to come of Sandpiper? That’s come back into it - Saul gives Kim his payout maybe to get her somewhere safe?

Lots of questions!

 

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I think the Sandpiper money is coming and it’s Saul’s nest egg that lets him be as established as he is in BB, have that mansion, and be able to afford Robert Forster’s vacuum service.

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Also, was reading some recaps and was reminded that in BB s4 Gus said “All the Salamancas are dead.” (Save for Hector of course). That doesn’t bode well for Lalo showing up in the Gene years.

Also, Lalo And Jimmy seem to be at an end, most of Lalo’s story is now centered on him and Gus.

That makes me think the Gene years will be focused on Kim and Jimmy/Saul/Gene.

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Thats right on that scene in s4 with Hector, but interestingly when Walt & Jessie kidnap Saul in his first appearance in BB (s2’s “Better Call Saul” titled episode), he said “did Lalo send them” and saying “it wasn’t me, it was Ignacio” (Nacho).

Obvs not mapped out at that point as Saul wasn’t going to be a long term character, but they do like to tie things up, so I think he will at least think he is still alive at this point, whether he is or not…

I also hope Saul/Gene/Jimmy gets a happy ending - he has had to deal with a lot of stuff with his brother and so his actions are sort of understandable, and seem to impress Kim to a degree.

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4 hours ago, Rogue 3 said:

Thats right on that scene in s4 with Hector, but interestingly when Walt & Jessie kidnap Saul in his first appearance in BB (s2’s “Better Call Saul” titled episode), he said “did Lalo send them” and saying “it wasn’t me, it was Ignacio” (Nacho).

Obvs not mapped out at that point as Saul wasn’t going to be a long term character, but they do like to tie things up, so I think he will at least think he is still alive at this point, whether he is or not…

This is amazing! I had no idea!

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