pavonis Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Still unclear. "Demonized"? Or just called out for being a bigot? The First Amendment doesn't protect people from repercussions for their speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RelentlessMalice Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 So where do we draw the line in the sand between simply not agreeing with someones opinion and calling them out as a bigot. Who wants to draw that line? I sure dont. I think our society would be better off if we learned to agree to disagree and ignore those who annoy us. Calling them bigots and looking to attack them gives those you do not like power and attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 There is no line. It's a gradation. And we can't learn to "agree to disagree" when one side pushes for laws that will roll back freedoms for some people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RelentlessMalice Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 Examples please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted August 8, 2015 Author Share Posted August 8, 2015 Still unclear. "Demonized"? Or just called out for being a bigot? The First Amendment doesn't protect people from repercussions for their speech.If somebody says or does bigoted things, there's nothing wrong with calling them out, and it is true there are (and should be) consequences for what you say. I think the "liberal tyranny" that is being referred to is the perpetually outraged innarweb/media lynch mob that takes things past the level of pointing out and criticizing people's actions, but these mass shamings that aim to socially, financially, and psychologically ruin their targets. Because the targets (bad taste AIDS jokers, scientists in girly shirts, trophy hunters) always seem to be people who outrage progressives (feminist progressives, in particular) rather than conservatives, these disproportionate responses to outrage are often labeled "liberal tyranny" -- though I am sure there is a more elegant and accurate term out there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted August 8, 2015 Share Posted August 8, 2015 ^^marriage equality for homosexuals. The GOP platform is clear on the goal of rolling that back. It's not compatible with their 1950s nuclear family values. As for liberal tyranny being the complaints of the far left fringe, well, all the fringe voices are looking for things to be outraged about. I suspect that the fringe crazies get sexually aroused off their outrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RelentlessMalice Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 1950s? Try most of human history. Anyway that issue to me should not even be decided by the government or courts. I agree that to deny them equal marriage rights etc..is a clear violation of the 14th amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 America hasn't existed for most of human history. The GOP wants Leave it to Beaver - the most boring, cheesy, and simplistic arrangement imaginable - writ large across our culture. Tell me that I'm wrong, RM. And WTF? Whose place is it to enforce the 14th Amendment if not the government and/or the courts?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RelentlessMalice Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 The issue should have never been taken that far. People need to mind their own business. I do not agree with that analogy of 50s leave it to beaver life. Too simplistic. I am sure some do but too many blanket statements clumping people into one description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 Conservatives care about Leave it to Beaver ONLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RelentlessMalice Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Okay. Now had you said The Donna Reed show or my Three Sons or Denace the Menace then I would be game. fuck the Beaver! So to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 The GOP looks backwards in general, to a Golden Age that never really existed. Give me a Republican who has feasible and realistic plans for the future and I'd vote for that candidate. Godbothering is a deal-breaker though. I can't support people who think an ancient shepherd deity is giving them guidance on social, economic, and political issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 beavbothering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Is there such a thing as an atheist/agnostic Republican? Where's CM when you need her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Say what you will about Trump. He got people to watch. You people might like living under liberal tyranny, but he knows that most people do not. Something has to be done to shake people out of apathy. I applaud him. This country needs him. Can't believe I'm saying this, because I think he's a dickwad, but god bless him.Where's the "liberal tyranny" in what was a natural rejection of Trump's hostility toward women? In other Trump news... https://www.yahoo.com/politics/donald-trump-parts-ways-with-political-adviser-126201438431.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 Is there such a thing as an atheist/agnostic Republican?I'm sure there are, though I can't think of any off-hand -- and I doubt you'll find any beyond the state level, cause it's dangerous for any politician not to at least give lip-service to G_d. But again, I'm sure they exist. I mean, Susan Collins and Greg Walden are pro-choice Republicans -- even though they supposedly don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I suppose they'd be called RINOs, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pong Messiah Posted August 9, 2015 Author Share Posted August 9, 2015 yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I'd be willing to bet that 90% of politicians are atheists or agnostics. God is the pet name they give themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 You can piss on 50s era America all you want, but there can be no doubt that conservative ideals, boring as they may be, lead to a better life. Just look at the divorce rate. People hate each other now. We went from Leave It To Beaver to Honey Boo Boo in only two generations. Is this really the world that our our grandparents envisioned while sacrificing their lives in WW2? I Highly doubt it. All of the liberal shit just undermines American culture. They pretend to be "progressive" but in reality they are just opportunists who want to exploit the system for personal gain. I can't believe that so many of you buy what they are selling. You can rail against the system and feel good about it, much like a child who won't eat the veggies, but when you refuse to grow the fuck up you become part of the problem. You have to hand it to the liberals, though. They've done such a good job of brainwashing young smart minds that you sometimes have to just sit there and say wow. These people, which include most of you, would rather wallow in how bad the SW prequels suck than actually doing something with their lives. Again, grow the fuck up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Tex, you've managed to say nothing substantial in three paragraphs. You've just railed at us (me?) to "grow the f-ck up". I've got a good life already. How would being more conservative improve my life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 You know - I don't get the us vs them mentality. There is no liberal tyranny. Maybe the ultra-conservatives just feel it like that because they're polar opposites or something The only brainwashing is what you believe in based on social media. So who's really brainwashing whom? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Continue to sleep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavonis Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Way to stand up for your conservative values, Tex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Continue to sleep.Bow down to your oppressor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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