Destiny Skywalker Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Burt, the selling out is mostly because I don't find the management work very stimulating. It feels like boring busy work. The technical path us much more stimulating to me, but we just got notified that they gave our jobs to someone in another state that I really have no desire to move to (nor did they offer to move us), so I will probably have to find other work to do (that I also don't find as stimulating). We'll see if it sticks, I'm actually predicting it to be a disaster, and hopefully the work comes back. Things will come to a head in 2016 when our union negotiates the next contract. The other thing about management is it will mean more pay but many more hours, and my work-life balance will be a joke. My company thinks they own you when you are in management. Basically the only benefit would be to stroke my ego and feel like I'm important bossing people around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryn Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Management/administration works for me if I can turn it into something collaborative or participatory and have both teaching and learning moments for anyone involved, myself included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Skywalker Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I got an interview for the management prep job. The hiring manager really likes me, so there's that. From calendar diving, there's 2-3 other candidiates, one of whom is the guy who is "acting" in the role. But I don't think he has any formal leadership experience like I do, so it seems like a toss up. Guess we'll see how badly I choke tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerina Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I don't know if I should say congrats or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 5, 2015 Share Posted January 5, 2015 I keep reading this thread title to the tune of Burning Down the House by Talking Heads. Also, what Cerina said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burt Posted January 5, 2015 Author Share Posted January 5, 2015 I sold out too. I took a job with an engineering firm. I had interviews with four companies, and got one job offer so the decision was kind of made for me. It pays about $10k better than the next best job, so I'm pretty happy with it. Supervisor is great too. Good luck on your interview! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Skywalker Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 What do you do, Burt? Are you a non-engineer at an engineering firm? Â At this point, if I get the job, I will probably take it. The next promotion on my current job path after this one will be almost impossible to get without a higher degree, and I just don't know if I'm going to have time with 2 kids. Should've gotten it done beforehand. But I have to knock off the "acting" guy (who is a doosh so I don't feel too bad), so I'm really going to have to knock their socks off. I think I should know by the end of the week, I'm the last interview and the managers meet Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 YOU CAN DOO EET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burt Posted January 6, 2015 Author Share Posted January 6, 2015 What do you do, Burt? Are you a non-engineer at an engineering firm? At this point, if I get the job, I will probably take it. The next promotion on my current job path after this one will be almost impossible to get without a higher degree, and I just don't know if I'm going to have time with 2 kids. Should've gotten it done beforehand. But I have to knock off the "acting" guy (who is a doosh so I don't feel too bad), so I'm really going to have to knock their socks off. I think I should know by the end of the week, I'm the last interview and the managers meet Wednesday.I'm a biologist/environmental scientist. I mostly assess impacts of projects and help them mediate. So, when a pipeline is built I go and do a survey to create an inventory of what species and habitats are there. The client can than preserve/create similar habitat elsewhere. I can understand the bit about the higher degree. I can't imagine getting my PhD with a family. I don't know many who really have, come to think of it. In hindsight, I should have skipped a Master's and just gone straight to PhD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Skywalker Posted January 6, 2015 Share Posted January 6, 2015 Nailed it. But I have to see if they are gutsy enough to knock off the guy who is acting in the role but not official. It might actually come down to a popularity contest with the manager team. I have no idea if I'll win that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cashmere Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Waiting to find out is the hardest part. Glad to hear it went well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 I applied for the supervisor job in my department back in November, and just got word from HR they're not even going to interview me. Honestly, I didn't expect to get it, but to not even have a chance to take a shot sucks. Oh well, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destiny Skywalker Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Sorry dude. If it makes you feel any better, I found out today (first day back from "vacation") that I didn't get the super supervisor job, either. They weren't willing to piss off the acting guy. The hiring manager actually delayed the announcement and called me personally to tell me I didn't get it but that he was really glad I interviewed and to please apply for any openings under him. I think he actually wanted me to get it but the management team wasn't willing to upset the other guy. Also, today my new manager approached me about one of the other supervisors leaving and asking if I would take it. Upper management also asked him to ask if I would do it. Sigh. I told him I'd apply but encouraged him to look at other applicants who are interested in a management role. But there goes my perfect record for interviews. Oh well, had to lose at some point. I asked the hiring manager for feedback on how to do better next time. In the meantime, applied to 2 more jobs that my former manager told me about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burt Posted January 16, 2015 Author Share Posted January 16, 2015 Bummer. In my experience, coming just short like that often leads to a big leap. I had an interviewer refer me to someone else, so even though I didn't get that job, the experience got me *a* job. Sounds like you're in a similar position, which is at the very least a draw (certainly not a loss). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burt Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 One month into my new job, my dream company offers me a research position. Agonizing and torn on whether to stay or go. Both jobs are good, kind of a non-problem problem. The choice is1. Stability, research, career fulfillment, lower salary.2. Not so stable, regulatory, somewhat fulfilling, very lucrative. I kind of wish they just hadn't called at all. Leaving a job a month in when the company is prepared to invest training and career development on me feels foolish. Doing a job for the money seems shallow. Yall ever dealt with this? What did you do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 I had two job offers at the same time. Dream job made significantly less. I took it. It worked out well personally, but professionally I really wish I had gone the other route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 how much/important is the money? If you're stable and not in debt or dying for a boat go with what makes you happy. If you need to get out of debt stay where the money is and hope the opportunity comes again later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burt Posted February 11, 2015 Author Share Posted February 11, 2015 Its about $12k, so nothing to sniff at. In ten years with promotions, the difference could be $20-30k. Not enough to be a huge deal, but enough to miss, at least for now. Later, the salary difference is much greater. I was kind of put on the spot, given a 24-hr window more or less. I told them I was interested (not the same as accepting, long process), but I want to be certain by tomorrow.  I am not in debt, but money is pretty great all the same. Again, it boils down to fulfilling conservation ideals or being paid more. Tough one. Basically, I am deciding what I am doing for the next 5-10 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Hey Burt - what did you decide to do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I got new job... like, I pitched, they liked, want to hire me... but the company business dept. and my agents are arguing over contracts and I could not end up getting it even though the creatives want me to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryn Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 Hope they can work that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 I got new job... like, I pitched, they liked, want to hire me... but the company business dept. and my agents are arguing over contracts and I could not end up getting it even though the creatives want me to do it. "my agents"Â You're such a hot shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted February 26, 2015 Share Posted February 26, 2015 You spelled "elitist Hollywood sell out snob" wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mara Jade Skywalker Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 That too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Imma settler. I'm going to stick teaching out until I either get a heart attack and die or retire on a meager sum and live on a sunny beach in Mexico. With cats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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