The Human Torch Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Agreed. Also not that Neil was perfect, but he got so screwed. Hook is not a tenth of the man that Neil was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Exactly. People like to gloss over pirates but we're talking about a group that rapes, murders, and steals FOR A LIVING. (Which is why "talk like a pirate day is offensive to me.") And this man was the leader of such a group. Would people be cool with Emma dating Charles Manson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerina Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 He's hot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerina Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 It's the only argument I have. He's hot, and I want to watch him make out with Emma more because of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberSix Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Exactly. People like to gloss over pirates but we're talking about a group that rapes, murders, and steals FOR A LIVING.Normal pirates, yeah. But Hook's a Disney pirate. His worst offenses are probably stealing gold coins from crooked politicians, pillaging villages that were already deserted, and refusing to hold doors open for women. If Hook is a real pirate, I triple-dog-dare the showrunners to give us a TV-14 flashback of unreformed Hook on a violent, aggravated, sex-criminal rampage. One horrifying thirty-second flashback will do. Nothing against Colin O'Donoghue's performance (he's one of the more entertaining blokes they've got), but the show's never convinced me he's much more than a really edgy sailor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen123 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Exactly. People like to gloss over pirates but we're talking about a group that rapes, murders, and steals FOR A LIVING.Normal pirates, yeah. But Hook's a Disney pirate. His worst offenses are probably stealing gold coins from crooked politicians, pillaging villages that were already deserted, and refusing to hold doors open for women. And "steal" Rumplestiltskin's wife? (I use the quotes because I don't remember exactly how that went down) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberSix Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 IIRC, she willingly ran off with Hook, letting Rumple think she was kidnapped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Torch Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 The only really bad things we've seen Hook do are humiliate Gold and help to kill/imprison old ben mickey. My problem with Hook really stems from this fact combined with making Peter a no remorse villain... Every character in Once except for Peter and Henry have a rounded personality with pros/cons and a history. We're allowed to feel for murderers like Regina and Gold, but Peter who is arguably the purest childhood hero around who champions imagination and friendship gets displayed as a, perhaps poetically, a shadow of the person he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen123 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 IIRC, she willingly ran off with Hook, letting Rumple think she was kidnapped.Well, so much for my comment, then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Torch Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 To further drive this Peter thing home; If Snow White was as different from herself as Peter was then we would have seen a flashback of her whoring it up with the seven dwarves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 I agree with everything Torchie said. Its a strong take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Torch Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Validation +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Torch Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 This season feels like a paycheck season, everyone is at work but no one cares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Good God a Bear Posted October 27, 2014 Author Share Posted October 27, 2014 See I don't get the whole being pissed about Peter thing. I guess it just depends on if you are a fan of the original or not. And I didn't have an opinion of it to start with. I liked the direction they went with Peter. But I can see where someone wouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerina Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 Peter who is arguably the purest childhood hero around http://i.imgur.com/xndzuh5.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 I was so happy we were gonna get an entire episode without Hook and he shows up at the ****ing end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerina Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 OK #1 - Didn't Pinocchio write the book? Am I making that up in my head?#2 - Villains are always written better on this show than the "good guys".#3 - Why couldn't Snow have died in childbirth? Ok that's harsh, but seriously she needs to go. #4- Didn't see the foster mom twist. Sometimes they surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberSix Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 Other than everything Hook does, the foster-mom revelation is the only thing so far this season that's caught my interest.OK #1 - Didn't Pinocchio write the book? Am I making that up in my head?That's how I remember it, too. #2 is Truth. And everything about Mayor Snow White has been grade-F dumb. Even worse if I compare her to Mayor Snow White from Willingham's Fables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerina Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ag9HiHLRsMI don't know if he's adding to it or what. But I strongly suspect he wrote it for Emma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Torch Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Unless I recall wrong, in that episode/scene he was copying it and altering it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberSix Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 TBH right now I don't like the series enough to go back and blow free time researching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Torch Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 For the first time in forever I was watching Frozen with my kids this morning and then I noticed some bullshit regarding Once. Elsa and Anna's father was king, the royal bloodine is on his side. He was the one coronated. Which means in the basic scenario then Once has it flurpedup as they detail the three sisters as the royals of Arendale, but that's not how royal lines work. The bloodline stays sovereign while the marriedline becomes consort. Examples: Britian's QE2 married Philip. Philip does not become king, he's Prince or also could be King-Consort. If QE2 died prior to having heirs Philip never gets the throne. It goes to QE2's sister. Prince Charles' Diana and Camila would not be Queen either. The only time a consort takes the throne is by proxy for an heir too young to rule when the bloodline monarch-parent dies. However we could manipulate a scenario that allows for Once and Frozen to both be right... the mom in the begining of Frozen has to be a step-mother and the father was King by proxy for Elsa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cerina Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 I'll forgive them that. So far frozen has been the most canon of all the films/characters used. Everybody else has been altered comsiderably. We're not mad because Regina hates Snow for betraying her as opposed to just being prettier. This reminds me of a convo my sister and I had recently about Disney Princesses, and how people are always leaving out Princesses and considering others Princesses when they're really probably not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Torch Posted November 13, 2014 Share Posted November 13, 2014 Yeah I let it go too. I just thought it was a neat tidbit and maybe one that could have been or may still get played with. Afterthought: It is fun to note that the most marketed Disney Princess, Cinderella, wouldn't be able to become a Queen... nor Belle and Tiana. However Snow, Aurora, Ariel, Merida and Rapunzel are all bloodline royals capable of ruling. The two most powerful would be Snow and Aurora respectively because they united kingdoms with their marriages. Ariel united a kingdom too, but if I recall right she was the youngest heir... essentially comparable to Hans position. Also while Snow is always refered to as a Princess, even in post-story marketing etc, she is the rightful queen throughout her film and indisputably at the end. Jasmine is special in that her IRL culture's methods seem to place the male, even marriedline, above the female. Although my understanding in this one is limited. Going back to Belle and differences in Once to the films, in Once Belle is a royal but in the film she is a peasant. This never really bothered me because it was so loosely referenced up until this season. I do think Belle looses something being rich/catered to her whole life but since it's not a story focus it's forgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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