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I'm in a really stupid Facebook discussion and long to have a real conversation about this with people who aren't all GOD and stupid.

 

Did you vote for Obama? Are you a fan? What are you upset about RIGHT NOW regarding the White House? What's he handling well, what do you think he's dropping the ball on and what would you do about it?

 

Are you voting in the midterms? if N/why not?

 

How much of a lame duck is he?

 

And honestly, I expected a LOT more LOLZ and fuckery from Biden. They've hidden him too well for my liking.

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Voted for Obama, he's doing alright. I don't really follow the news to be upset about anything. I'm probably partisan enough to not really have an objective opinion; Republicans only have to open their mouths and let the stupid come out, and I find that infinitely more offensive than anything Obama has or hasn't done.

 

Probably won't vote in the midterms-- I guess that depends on whether I'm around and able to vote, given that convicts are no longer treated as citizens.

 

Lame duck...Don't really know. A lot depends on how the Senate turns out in the midterms. But I really don't expect any substantial policy changes. Just more of the same gridlock like always.

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Did you vote for Obama?

First time, yes. At first, I fell for the hype. It's embarrassing, but I can admit it. Later, even after souring on him, I voted for him anyways, simply because his ticket wasn't the one reckless enough to put Sarah Palin just one elderly survivor of multiple cancers away from the White House.

 

Say what you will about Biden, but I'll take crazy over crazy and retarded any day.

 

Second time, I was so disgusted with both options, I decided to throw my vote away on Gary Johnson.

 

Are you a fan?

No.

 

I don't think he's a good president, and I don't find him very appealing. I do very much enjoy how crazy he makes his political adversaries, though. Not sure that makes me a "fan," but it makes his time in office more entertaining.

 

What are you upset about RIGHT NOW regarding the White House?

He comes off as pathetic and indecisive. It's gotten so bad, Fox News isn't even calling him an evil socialist; for the most part, they're just treating him like an ineffectual weenie.

 

:no:

 

Too sleepy for the other questions.

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I voted for McCain the first time. Voted for Obama the second time. In retrospect, I would reverse and vote Obama 08/Romney 12. I am disgruntled with the whole lot of them, and I would rather we elect someone other than psychopath lawyers.

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I shamefully voted Obama in 08 because Palin was not palatable. If McCain had chosen any other running mate my vote would have been GOP. In '12 I voted again for the lesser of two evils. I couldn't bring myself to go as far as Pong and vote third party. Romney should have done something more to get my vote. I just don't remember what my biggest gripe with Romney was. Currently Obama is more of W. but more personable. I mean I don't want to change the channel when he talks nor be reminded that his Dad is ten times the president his son was like I did with Bush. My biggest disappointment of the administration has to do with Obamacare. I'd like to see it changed and some things corrected that the whimpy bill did not fix. Also, my frustration is not with Obama so much as Congress... which leads me to the next question.

 

Hell yeah, I'm voting. I feel like incompetent people run for Congress who are ineffectual whiners (much like people like me who post on messageboards). I will vote in this mid-term because I feel that it is important to vote. I do not want any more Tea Party people from Texas in Congress and intend to get the vote out and help anyone who will run against a Ted Cruz like Texan Tea Party person.

 

While a lame duck, I think Obama's doing alright. He's poison to the Democratic party right now but I think that any reaction to ISIS needs to be measured and carefully thought out. Otherwise we just wipe out one evil and replace it with another much like ISIS has done in the vacuum created by an area devoid of strong leadership from the government in Iraq. Yes. I feel horrible that people like the Kurds are suffering but these people need to sort their own shit out. Grow some political man balls or something and realize that their country is going backwards. The middle east was/is the cradle of religion, early art, learning and scholarship but now it's a backwards world crumbling in its own weird stifling religious zealotry inflicted by a single core power of a minority. I often compare the Tea Party to ISIS, the taliban and other backward thinking parties in power.

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Since 1996, I have mechanically voted against all incumbents, regardless of party. When there is no incumbent running, then I tend to vote against the party of the last office holder. If I just happen to not like either choice, and if a possibility, then I throw my vote away to the libertarian geek. I know that sounds like a terrible way to vote, but I am so disgusted with both parties, it makes the most sense for me.

 

With respect to Obama's elections, the fact of the matter is it really doesn't matter who I voted for. This is because where I live, it's a solidly red state, when it comes to presidential elections. In both elections, it was pretty well known Obama was going to win a couple weeks out. In 2008, my state went to McCain, and2012 to Romney. So, had I voted GOP, wouldn't have mattered because Obama won. If I had voted Obama, it wouldn't have mattered because the state went red, anyway.

 

As far as my opinion of Obama, especially the last couple years, I think he couldn't be more inept. In fact I think he is worse than both Carter and GWB were. So, yeah, I don't think much of Obama, at all.

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My state is solidly blue, and while liberal, I'm not a fan. I actually traded votes with D-Ray, who was in a solid red state. I voted Obama for him and he voted Libertarian for me so my choice had a chance hitting the 5% of the vote needed for campaigning endowment next time out.

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I often compare the Tea Party to ISIS, the taliban and other backward thinking parties in power.

Don't get me wrong- I despise the Tea Party, as anyone who has listened to me more than 5 min on this board will know.

 

But this seems like a really irresponsible comparison. The last time I checked, the Tea Party hasn't beheaded anyone.

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I want Bill back.

 

I voted for O twice and although I'm disappointed, I'm not sorry. Every other GOP candidate make me queasy. I kind of expect every President to let me down to a certain extent and so far, he's not horrid in that regard, but he did get lazier than I'd expected.

 

I don't like how he folds all the time-it really gets us half-assed products in the long run and that fuels the GOP furthur-half their complaints become valid. He was great at killing bin Laden. I wish he could be that decisive on everything. I'd have liked to see him do something dramatic to force Congress to behave like adults-I don't know WHAT, though. Maybe lock the doors a a session and not let anyone out until there was a group hug?

 

I don't like what we're doing about the Middle East, especially ISIS-yet. I still am not sure about the bombing other than it does seem to be pissing them off. Does that mean it's working, though? I don't know. This reminds me of Clinton and Rwanda. WHY are we not DOING something?

 

If I were anti-gun, I'd probably hate his guts right now. Like Bush Jr and 9/11-he has absolutely wasted the momentum caused by the Newtown shootings and gotten absolutely nowhere with the gun lobby-it doesn't even look like he's tried.

 

He's pretty, his family's wonderfully presentable and he acts and talk cool like that but action seems to be an issue in some cases.

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I don't like what we're doing about the Middle East, especially ISIS-yet. I still am not sure about the bombing other than it does seem to be pissing them off. Does that mean it's working, though? I don't know. This reminds me of Clinton and Rwanda. WHY are we not DOING something?

Probably because within a few months we'd get into another quagmire in Iraq. After the initial 'rally around the flag' effect wore off, the anti-war crowd would start it up (Code Pink would be among the first), and then within 6 months, I guarantee you that you'd be on this board asking "WHY did we EVER GO into Iraq?"

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I'm not doing well. I'm packed, need to move, anxiety at an all time high. Are you still overseas?

 

Yeah, the Iraq thing-and the voting public has made it clear they don't want that. The whole region seems like they truly don't WANT to do anything about it. We spent how much time and money and lives trying to prop them up, then tried to teach them how to do it themselves and it was like taking a cat for a walk on a leash. The depth of misery makes me ill. Do you think drone bombing and boots on the ground are our only options?

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You know, I'd vote for Carter again. I really did like that peanut farmer and what he's parlayed being an ex president into. He's done more good out of office than either Bush or Reagan with Bill and Hillary a best second.

I always thought Carter made a better diplomat than a president, but his anti-Israel stance (particularly in recent years) serves only to legitimize terrorist organizations like Hamas, in my view, thereby pouring gasoline on the fire. Israel may not exactly be blameless, but they will always be a better ally than Hamas ever would be, and if we are to choose sides, we would be fools not to back Israel.

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I'm not doing well. I'm packed, need to move, anxiety at an all time high. Are you still overseas?

 

Yeah, the Iraq thing-and the voting public has made it clear they don't want that. The whole region seems like they truly don't WANT to do anything about it. We spent how much time and money and lives trying to prop them up, then tried to teach them how to do it themselves and it was like taking a cat for a walk on a leash. The depth of misery makes me ill. Do you think drone bombing and boots on the ground are our only options?

I didn't know you were moving. Where are you going? Yeah, I'm still overseas.

 

I don't think there are any good options. Selective targeting and the more surgical-style bombing will not entirely eliminate the threat. A big 'shock and awe,' world-of-destruction, Dresden style fire-bombing would have no political support. Boots on the ground would have short term effect since no military in the world can defeat the US Army in a one-on-one fight, but then we'd become occupiers again and just like last time, there is no way to effectively do that when there is no pre-existing civic tradition (as you had in Germany and Japan). Besides boots on the ground is too expensive and the country is bankrupt.

 

So, there just aren't any good options. The best may be to sit it out, wait until the dust settles, attempt to install a puppet leader that is a dictatorial strong-man, and then try and control him better than we did with Saddam. The region is, unfortunately, just not developed enough for Western style democracy, at least yet. Some places are- (Dubai/UAE, Qatar, etc). But not Iraq.

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The Big-O is overhyped, but you'll certainly miss him when he hasn't been around for a few months.

Depends on who replaces him.

 

Most likely, though. We've been on downward spiral ever since Nixon.

 

I don't think it will matter who is in office, really. Public opinion will surely be better after he is out of office, but I don't think we will even have a chance to miss Obama. I don't think he is going to go anywhere, after being president, as far as media coverage is concerned. Obama is a young man, relatively speaking. He will likely spend the next 40 years on the lecture circuit and talk shows, rehabbing his legacy and rewriting history. Within 20 years, he will be considered one of the best presidents "EVAR," no matter how much a failure he is in reality, by the time he leaves office.

 

Look at GW Bush and Clinton, for example. GW Bush's legacy has somewhat taken an upswing in the last 4 years, and Clinton is almost at patron sainthood, but both were considered some of the most unpopular presidents (and by some, worst) within the last 50 years, at the time they exited office.

 

Also, judging how Obama seems unavoidable for comment on certain hot button issues like Michael Brown & Trayvon Martin, I think that unlike what is traditionally done when former presidents step aside and allow the limelight for the current president, a post January 2017 Ex-President Obama will be almost as ubiquitous as he is now with his lectures on social justice, rehabbing Obamacare's legacy, and defending all his bad foreign policy decisions. There are a whole host of universities and talking heads waiting to book him.

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I don't like him nor hate him. If a pollster were to call right now I'd give him pretty favorable ratings. If I think about it, I'm really better off than I was six years ago. I have a house, a pension and savings and can spend frivolous amounts of money on cat-beings who pee on me and leave hairballs everywhere and won't let me go to the potty alone.

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