Justus Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I'd bet anything that the FF will be like Punisher and Ghost Rider and it will quietly return to Marvel. spider-man is too iconic to not go big with. marvel's plans are so worked out for years I don't see room for a FF movie. They'd fight for the X-Men, but not the FF. Meanwhile, Fox could easily put all their money into the x-men. There's enough characters and sub groups to build their own universe with.They should fight for the FF. If a Marvel movie even moved within 30% of the best FF print stories, they would end up with the greatest superhero or any fantasy film ever made. That's how strong the FF was at its height, and frankly, few superhero movies are even a whisper of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Every FF story I've ever read: >Threat appears>Strain on family bonds>Reaffirm family bonds>Solve threat But I guess every superhero comic has their own version of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Thr would be a change from every Iron Man/Avengers movie being:Tony is a jerkBad things happenTony learns to care about others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Apparently Fox wants to reboot X-Men as a high profile TV series, but the TV rights to the characters are more easily contestable than the film ones. (Hence Marvel using X-Men in animated series). I'd bet dollars to donuts that they'll give Marvel the FF and cosmic characters in exchange for X-Men on TV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I'd bet anything that the FF will be like Punisher and Ghost Rider and it will quietly return to Marvel. spider-man is too iconic to not go big with. marvel's plans are so worked out for years I don't see room for a FF movie. They'd fight for the X-Men, but not the FF. Meanwhile, Fox could easily put all their money into the x-men. There's enough characters and sub groups to build their own universe with.They should fight for the FF. If a Marvel movie even moved within 30% of the best FF print stories, they would end up with the greatest superhero or any fantasy film ever made. That's how strong the FF was at its height, and frankly, few superhero movies are even a whisper of that.There was a time when the FF was Marvel's flagship title, but even they can't keep interest in th FF going. They've been relaunched and cancelled over and over in the last 15 years. The era you're talking about is great to read as a sample of that era, but none of those stories would translate to the modern day. I know you hate all things new, it's a truth that everyone struggles with. Fox, like any other studio, thinks to make it current they have to make it dark, which is silly. In print Marvel has tried several approaches, none of which really clicked. That's not to say it can't be done, but the core ideals of the original story, for whatever reason, don't seem to catch with modern audiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 So how about FF set in the 60s? Maybe this is a franchise time has passed by, so go back in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 That's what I'd do. They've retroactively filled in several eras of the MCU that tell us that despite SHIELD going public in Iron Man 1, they've always been around. Agent Carter in the 40s, Hank Pym in the 80s... Why not give us the 60s. The thing people forget is that the FF was a commentary on how the 50s nuclear family went into the literal nuclear age in the cold war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 The only way FF will ever work is if iit's a comedy. Just look at the Incredibles. They totally ripped off FF and did FF better than FF ever did or will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I don't know if it needs a ton of humor. What Incredibles did was do a Cold War spy movie, with superhero action and a dysfunctional family story at its heart. But I agree it will be hard to top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacen123 Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Assuming Marvel gets the rights back, if they don't go with a 60s era approach, it would be interesting to see them go for the Future Foundation (possibly/likely after having some of the characters show up in other movies first). It would allow them to avoid having to use the possibly tarnished-beyond-repair (for the moment, anyway) Fantastic Four title. Setting them up as older characters teaching their own children and others opens up some interesting stories that the other Marvel movies aren't necessarily covering and allows them to easily sidestep an origin movie while giving them easy opportunities to discuss their origin in the form of the kids. It would also fit with Marvel molding much of the MCU off of relatively recent story arcs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 And it's officially a box office dud. If anyone here is going to take up my request and give us the ole Nightly review. Better do it this week. Summary: $26.2 Million opening and second place to MI Rogue Nation http://www.ew.com/article/2015/08/09/box-office-report-fantastic-four-gift-ricki-and-flash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I'd bet anything that the FF will be like Punisher and Ghost Rider and it will quietly return to Marvel. spider-man is too iconic to not go big with. marvel's plans are so worked out for years I don't see room for a FF movie. They'd fight for the X-Men, but not the FF. Meanwhile, Fox could easily put all their money into the x-men. There's enough characters and sub groups to build their own universe with.They should fight for the FF. If a Marvel movie even moved within 30% of the best FF print stories, they would end up with the greatest superhero or any fantasy film ever made. That's how strong the FF was at its height, and frankly, few superhero movies are even a whisper of that.There was a time when the FF was Marvel's flagship title, but even they can't keep interest in th FF going. They've been relaunched and cancelled over and over in the last 15 years. The era you're talking about is great to read as a sample of that era, but none of those stories would translate to the modern day. I know you hate all things new, it's a truth that everyone struggles with. Fox, like any other studio, thinks to make it current they have to make it dark, which is silly. In print Marvel has tried several approaches, none of which really clicked. That's not to say it can't be done, but the core ideals of the original story, for whatever reason, don't seem to catch with modern audiences. No, I do not hate all things new in the way you hate all things old (see how that worked? ), but any story can be translated to the modern day. How many old books that were very much a product of their decade-or in some cases, century--found updated success on screen over the decades? Especially fantasy stories? Superman the Movie, Raimi's Spider-Man, Captain America - The First Avenger and other films all dealt with stories published for generations (and their culture) that were/are long gone, but each easily found big screen success. I do not see the FF as being a greater challenge. If--as you say--the story does not catch with present day audience, blame that on wrongheaded or inferior filmmakers, not the basic concept. The De Laurentis Flash Gordon was a perfect example of the wrong people screwing up what could have been a spectacular film--even coming in on the heels of (at that time) two Star Wars films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justus Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Thr would be a change from every Iron Man/Avengers movie being:Tony is a jerkBad things happenTony learns to care about othersYeah, i'm surprised the audience has not soured on RD's performance. There's no real growth in the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 I'd bet anything that the FF will be like Punisher and Ghost Rider and it will quietly return to Marvel. spider-man is too iconic to not go big with. marvel's plans are so worked out for years I don't see room for a FF movie. They'd fight for the X-Men, but not the FF. Meanwhile, Fox could easily put all their money into the x-men. There's enough characters and sub groups to build their own universe with.They should fight for the FF. If a Marvel movie even moved within 30% of the best FF print stories, they would end up with the greatest superhero or any fantasy film ever made. That's how strong the FF was at its height, and frankly, few superhero movies are even a whisper of that.There was a time when the FF was Marvel's flagship title, but even they can't keep interest in th FF going. They've been relaunched and cancelled over and over in the last 15 years. The era you're talking about is great to read as a sample of that era, but none of those stories would translate to the modern day. I know you hate all things new, it's a truth that everyone struggles with. Fox, like any other studio, thinks to make it current they have to make it dark, which is silly. In print Marvel has tried several approaches, none of which really clicked. That's not to say it can't be done, but the core ideals of the original story, for whatever reason, don't seem to catch with modern audiences. No, I do not hate all things new in the way you hate all things old (see how that worked? ), but any story can be translated to the modern day. How many old books that were very much a product of their decade-or in some cases, century--found updated success on screen over the decades? Especially fantasy stories? Superman the Movie, Raimi's Spider-Man, Captain America - The First Avenger and other films all dealt with stories published for generations (and their culture) that were/are long gone, but each easily found big screen success. I do not see the FF as being a greater challenge. If--as you say--the story does not catch with present day audience, blame that on wrongheaded or inferior filmmakers, not the basic concept. The De Laurentis Flash Gordon was a perfect example of the wrong people screwing up what could have been a spectacular film--even coming in on the heels of (at that time) two Star Wars films. What's an old school FF arc you think could make it? I am admittedly nowhere near s versed with them as say the X-Men. But most of the classic FF stories I recall are outlier scifi alien stories or super-science vs monsters. Or Namor's Sue-boner ruining their day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 It'll never work and you all know it, That's all that needs to be said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 OR. I could say something else. Like I think there's a way to make it work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoLA Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 I know I didn't just read someone dissing the 80's Flash Gordon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brett Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 I like FF, but I like them campy and very 60's. (Like others have said) That'll never happen, so let it die... or bring them in as pointless cameos at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Durty D Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 How hard is it to get this movie right? Four people with powers fight some evil dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 I haven't seen critics universally dump on a movie like this since Battlefield Earth. And there they had an anti cult agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoLA Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Well, that and the movie sucked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 It was true to the book, which I enjoyed. It lacked a little in execution but no way it deserved the criticism heaped upon it. That was all agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Whaaaaaaaa? It's one of the most terrible movies ever, sans agenda. It's Phantom Menace, Independance Day bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Maybe liking the book for 20 years before the movie colored my judgement but I loved it. Its true to the book (which is offbeat) and while it has a few flaws it tells the story set forth in the book. I'm not militant about it because its not a franchise I live and die with but I think enough people had made up their minds to hate it before it premiered that it became vogue to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 11, 2015 Share Posted August 11, 2015 Probably, but it also was bad without the cheesy charm of Independence Day or the decades of goodwill of TPM. Instead it basically came across as a big budget version of a Kirk Cameron film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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