ShadowDog Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Being drugged or drunk doesn't excuse abuse. That shit only lowers inhibitions, exposes what was already there. He never hit her before? Great. But it was already there before he was drugged. Drugs don't put thoughts in your head, only expose those thoughts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Indymion Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 Came across this interesting tidbit from the writer of the issue himself, Mr. Shooter! Looks like he didn't even intend for it to be intentional. http://www.jimshooter.com/2011/03/hank-pym-was-not-wife-beater.html In that story (issue 213, I think), there is a scene in which Hank is supposed to have accidentally struck Jan while throwing his hands up in despair and frustration—making a sort of “get away from me” gesture while not looking at her. Bob Hall, who had been taught by John Buscema to always go for the most extreme action, turned that into a right cross! There was no time to have it redrawn, which, to this day has caused the tragic story of Hank Pym to be known as the “wife-beater” story. Little peculiar that he describes it as a right cross since it was a back hand slap he gave her! I guess it could stil be seen as accidental. It would be like when Peter Parker struck MJ while tussling with Ben Reilly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 I think he was just being colorful with the right cross stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Lohr Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Well, depending on the drug, they can sure do a hell of a lot more than just lower inhibitions, Dex. However, it's moot, since as I said, Pym was not just drunk or high, but mentally ill and quite literally not himself. From the Marvel Database: Pym accidentally dropped and smashed some vials containing various unknown gases. The released gases wreaked a radical temporary personality change in Pym, what could be seen as a severe case of schizophrenia. This entry calls it a lab accident. I seem to remember (and have read other accounts) that say that it was intentionally done to him by someone else. My guess is the exact details have probably been told different or retconned over the years. Either way, it amounts to Pym being seriously f'd up in the head at that time as a result of outside forces. I'm not saying he should get a free pass, necessarily, but in light of the circumstances, I find it hard to lay it all at his feet, either. And that is a very interesting quote, Indymion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Virul Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Weren't there also some detrimental psychological effect the early Pym particles had when used for growing into goliath size ? I think even Hawkeye went a little off his quiver for awhile when he used the stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Lohr Posted December 31, 2013 Share Posted December 31, 2013 I see what you did there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Michael Douglas is Hank Pym, and Paul Rudd is Scott Lang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Lohr Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 Hmm...I'm admittedly intrigued... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted January 13, 2014 Share Posted January 13, 2014 That's kind of awesome. That would make Lang a contemporary to Howard Stark instead of Tony. They could do a lot with that, and they can dodge the wife beatery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I love this! Lots of people freaking out online by reading the headline and not the article...lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Krawlie Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I don't know where the hell you go on the internet--I haven't seen anything like that. Definitely interested in this casting, it's totally out of the blue. They're attracting more and more A listers and I love it. It probably won't be this movie, but I hope at some point one of these characters become Giant Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Torch Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I think this is full of potential. Plus it could allow for a one-shot name drop in Avengers 2 like Tony yelling at Fury about Ultron, "First you kidnap my butler and now you've mated him with The Pym Program?! Just so you know... I will not be held responsible for child support." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exodus Posted January 14, 2014 Author Share Posted January 14, 2014 I don't know where the hell you go on the internet--I haven't seen anything like that.Facebook versions of Cinemablend, Cosmic Book News, and a couple others. It's like they're reading the headline and not bothering to click the link. Hoping they cast a young Pym and don't do what X-Men Origins did with the Professor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 So is this movie gonna be serious or a total goof? I'm guessing (and hoping) it's the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryn Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 That's kind of awesome. That would make Lang a contemporary to Howard Stark instead of Tony. They could do a lot with that, and they can dodge the wife beatery.Plenty of fertile ground. Those guys had to do something waiting for Cap to thaw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Lohr Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 This would certainly make me more interested... Marvel's Ant-Man May Add Evangeline Lilly As The Female Lead http://www.cinemablend.com/images/news_img/41511/evangeline_lilly_41511.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted February 6, 2014 Share Posted February 6, 2014 Damn it. Now I wanna see this crap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Lohr Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Curious as to who she would play. Seems they're going to continue to change things if she's Wasp. Unless they only have her in the rumored young Hank Pym portions, which seems unlikely, as that would probably be just a short portion of the film. Wasp isn't absolutely necessary for the film, of course, but there sure is plenty of room for more female heroes in the cinematic MU and Wasp is one of the more popular ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Torch Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 If Rudd is Lang then Evangeline could be Jessica Jones aka Power Woman, who dates the Lang/Ant-Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 I doubt we'd see that. I would guess Jessica Jones is being reserved for the Netflix series since they seem to be tapping into the street/Max side of Marvel. Lang cameoed in in Alias, she was never in any of his top-line stories. And I think she was Jewel. Power Woman didn't happen until she married Luke Cage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Human Torch Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Yeah, I agree, just thought I'd put it out there anyway. Afterthought: Being that Jessica Jones is a power house archetype, if Evangeline is her then Disney/Marvel would be beating DC to the punch. I could see it happening for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.CAllen Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Just have her be Tauriel. No explanation whatsoever. It's long past time the Marvel movies embraced the Extra-Canonical Crossover aspect of the Marvel U (Conan! Godzilla! 2001 : A Space Odyssey!) with a character from another franchise dropped into their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 Torch-- what Jessica Jones are you familiar with? As of late they've superheroed her up a bit, as part of cleaning up and being sanitized for NOT Max books. Her powers have always been pretty weak, and she was most defined as an alcoholic detective that had a fetish for boning superhoroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.CAllen Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 More like had a fetish for superheroes boning her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.CAllen Posted February 7, 2014 Share Posted February 7, 2014 oops double ppost pleaz delete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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