Ms. Spam Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I wonder if it is just slow to find its groove like many of the shows done by the writers and producers before. I mean it's totally not clicking. In my Hulu queue it is the last show I want to watch. If it would decide what it wants to be and go with that it would be good. Many people say it should have a Hydra or something but that's what Red Tide is for whatever that alternate secret entity is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryn Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Ain't it "Rising Tide"? But I agree, in spirit, about something like HYDRA. The show needs a Big Bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 It has one. "Caterpillar" Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberSix Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 CENTIPEDE. Not "Caterpillar". You guys are terrible at remembering really boring proper nouns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I'd remember a name like Hydra! I am such a nerd it has probably ruined me for this show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 Hahaha... I don't even feel bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evolence Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 So I was really stoked about this show when I saw the previews. I've been a big fan of this expanding Marvel universe, so I figured this would be a great extension of that. I just can't really commit to TV though, I don't watch it with any regularity. But the other night I happened to have the boob tube on when SHIELD was coming on. Unfortunately, I didn't really watch the episode. I just tuned it out while I played on the internet. This is not saying that it's a bad show, but it failed to draw me away from my ever-addictive internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberSix Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 I'd remember a name like Hydra! I am such a nerd it has probably ruined me for this show. I think part of the problem here is that, with the exception of Graviton, so far the show seems really focused on either (a) borrowing concepts that were already in the movies or (b) creating its own brand new, inherently inferior concepts. It's a shame, but understandable from a budget/greed standpoint -- why pay royalties to other people for using the toys they made up in decades past, when you can save money by making up your own? But a lot of their new ideas -- Centipede, Scorch, the Rising Tide (if they're even a real thing), various characters without codenames -- have so far been mediocre knockoffs of things we've all seen before. When they name-checked Centipede in the last episode, I totally forgot what that was till a few hours later when something on Twitter reminded me they were the same organization that gave Gunn super-strength in the pilot. It's not a good sign when I have to be reminded that recurring villains are recurring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 ... Four episodes later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted November 2, 2013 Share Posted November 2, 2013 And the formula has not changed: Next movie tie-in episode...directed by Jonathan Frakes! http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=48893 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.CAllen Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 Saw some previews and it looks like Titus Welliver is gonna be on the show as the S.H.I.E.L.D. agent he was in the Item 47 short with Lizzy Caplan and Jesse "I was in a few of the early non-Sorkin West Wing episodes" Bradford. It's a shame, but understandable from a budget/greed standpoint -- why pay royalties to other people for using the toys they made up in decades past, when you can save money by making up your own? Is that so? I thought there's a cut-off point somewhere for Marvel in that they don't owe money for the use of lot of the stuff that was created in the early decades but somewhere in the 90s that changed and now any time a creator makes up a character for Marvel they're credited and paid (something) for its use in merchandising and adaptation. I assumed the reason they're not going full nerd with the classic S.H.I.E.L.D. material and other assorted Marvellanea was so as to avoid stepping on the toes of the people who've earmarked the cool stuff for upcoming movies rather than out of any commitment to frugality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted November 3, 2013 Author Share Posted November 3, 2013 Yeah I mean how much can we actually be talking about? Like $500? Avenger alone made a billion. I think they can swing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberSix Posted November 3, 2013 Share Posted November 3, 2013 They can, but the Big Two comic book companies aren't always enthusiastic to have to dole out the extra cash that they promised in past contracts. And TV shows are still expected to stick to their own budgets, regardless of company performance on other projects. From what I've read online in recent years, Marvel tends to be better about royalties and creator participation than DC, at least. Case in point: when Arrow introduced Felicity Smoak on the show -- an obscure 1980s character from Fury of Firestorm -- her creator Gerry Conway had to find out about it from fans on Twitter. [source] Not really a good way to do business. Then again, Marvel hasn't had a live-action TV show since The Incredible Hulk, so who can say what'll become their standard procedure here. Going forward, I'll be curious to see if they do use very many preexisting characters -- and, if so, how well they remember to treat their creators. But considering how expensive SHIELD looks, especially in light of its declining ratings, I can easily imagine them cutting corners on non-FX expenditures to compensate wherever possible. If I'm wrong and the next ten villains are all straight out of The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, cool. I'm not getting my hopes up anymore, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RelentlessMalice Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I watched the first couple of episodes and it didn't hold my interest. It was dry and boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I almost thought Sixes' above post was a spammer because of the way he linked to information! HAHAHA. I am finding Arrow more enjoyable than SHIELD. And I am a Marvel Whore who bought everything Marvel when I was collecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberSix Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 I skipped Arrow for multiple reasons, but I'm jealous at how they seem to have a long parade of established characters lining up to take turns getting on TV. A rare present-day example of DC topping Marvel at anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted November 7, 2013 Share Posted November 7, 2013 The acting on Arrow is pretty much as wooden as you would expect a CW network show but it's good cheese compared to SHIELD. So much potential was wasted because I love Coulsons' character and think he deserves better. My SHIELD gripes: Why do they have to have two british nerds supporting the field with lab work? Too racy with the lacy underwear (I'mma school teacher and think that this would appeal to kids if it had less bedroom type scenes). Back to the rule of twos: Why do we have to have two characters that can kick ass? I love former ER star but her and the guy agent together seem like overkill. It has not been too memorable. I don't go back and rewatch any episodes like I do others to see what I missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryn Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 Thor: The Dark World tie-ins NOT likely to happen: Darcy. There's your outsider foil to SHIELD's intentions. Smart cookie but not uber-hacker. Don't ignore the fact Kat Dennings is no stranger to television. Selvig. He's worked with SHIELD before, and used correctly Stellan Skarsgård could bring some Fringe/John Noble-esque eccentricity to the show. (An aside: He needs some kind of vacation after the treatment he's received in two films. Sheesh!) It seems to me that Marvel could be building this show in the same pattern as the MCU films leading up to The Avengers film. We don't get Rick Jones, but there's enough to populate the show picking from characters in the main films and its shorts like "Item 47." (Titus Welliver returning is a great start.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Posted November 8, 2013 Share Posted November 8, 2013 I'm sure the crossover is going to be along the lines of them going to the place Thor touched down to see the Celtic crop circles... and that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowDog Posted November 8, 2013 Author Share Posted November 8, 2013 This weeks episode was great. Far and away the best episode of the series And gives me long term hope for the show for the first time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.CAllen Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Haven't seen the new Thor movie yet. Was yesterday's episode some kind of cross-over? Is that next week's episode? Is it safe to watch yesterday's episode without having seen the Thor movie first? I'll take my answer off the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ms. Spam Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 This weeks episode was great. Far and away the best episode of the series And gives me long term hope for the show for the first timeConcur! I liked the characters. The plot seemed to be developing at the Hub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumberSix Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Haven't seen the new Thor movie yet. Was yesterday's episode some kind of cross-over? Is that next week's episode? Is it safe to watch yesterday's episode without having seen the Thor movie first? I'll take my answer off the air. Crossover episode is next week. This week's takes nothing from the movie and, once again, has no memorable villain. Not that you asked the latter, but that's this post's special bonus feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.CAllen Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Thanks. I realized that just as Ming-Na Wen's character Agent Melinda May has a typical Marvel Universe name so too Brett Dalton's Agent Grant Ward has a typical DC Universe name (e.g. Bruce Wayne, Barry Allen, Hal Jordan). Actually, so does the male half of Fitz-Simmons come to think of it. Not sure what this means --- though it does go some ways towards explaining the aura of superfluous unnecessity which floats about their characters like a fine mist --- they really don't belong on the show at all in nearly every way always all times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheep Murderer Posted November 19, 2013 Share Posted November 19, 2013 The show is picking up. Yes, it started out boring..but how man shows do that? It seems to take a long time to take stride. Establishing characters in SHIELD was tedious, but I hope that it will be out of the way for bigger and better things. I dunno, I'm still hopeful. Besides, Coulson is fun to watch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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