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NFF 2013 League Meetings


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Dex was nice enough to remind us all about the league meeting for the NFF. I'm on mobile right now, so my capacity for a long post about each topic to cover is somewhat limited. I will say that I have been thinking the league constitution needs an update.

So I will pass the baton to the first owner who has a topic that they feel needs discussion.

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Who's interested in a PPR League?

With a league as deep as the NFF it only makes sense

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Refresh my memory, what's that mean?

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Points Per Reception

Meaning that players will also recieve points for receptions not just TDs and yardage.

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A scoring change like that would affect the way a team is constructed as player value is markedly different for PPR. I would say that if the league wants PPR, we institute it a season from whenever such a decision is made so that teams can build/add/drop/trade/draft for such a new system.

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Fair enough.

I'm in favor of it

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I'm in favor with that one year deferment.

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No objections here.

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Against.

I started out in PPR leagues, but looking back, it really doesn't make sense to me. Especially since we're already getting points for the receiving - why reward someone twice for the same thing? The yardage, that's what helps a team in real life. The point is to move the chains and score.

You don't give a RB points for carries, you give him points for what he does with those carries. Why should a WR be any different? A guy could have two catches for a total of 3 yards and he's done virtually nothing to help his team in real life, but he gets fantasy points? A player that catches 6 passes for 50 yards hasn't necessarily helped his team any more than a guy who has one 50yd catch. It's sketchy logic and I honestly just don't see how it's an improvement.
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Honest to God I wrote "And now here comes DL with an arguement about how this isn't like real football" but then I thought that was silly because catches help teams in real life so I took the joke out. DAMMIT. Defeated by overthinking ****. LOL

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I get what you are saying Lohr, but a guy with 6 catches for 50 yards could do more for his team than a guy with 1 catch for 50 yards if you think about 1st downs created from catches. That guy potentially did more to help his team by keeping drives alive.

But I do get what you mean. It does add value to byecweek pick ups though.

Im undecided at this point about ppr.

Did we ever finish the discussion on making the flex spot RB/WR/TE?

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I'd like to reopen that topic.

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I have no objection if we want to add TE to flex. That's an easy one.

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Honest to God I wrote "And now here comes DL with an arguement about how this isn't like real football" but then I thought that was silly because catches help teams in real life so I took the joke out. DAMMIT. Defeated by overthinking ****. LOL


Then give yourself partial credit. You don't get points in reality for receiving yards, so that's not exactly my point. However, accumulating yards in real life does lead you to points in a much more direct and concrete way than receptions. And, again, we're already getting points for receiving. If we didn't get yardage points, adding this would make some sense. I don't get the logic of double dipping.

I get what you are saying Lohr, but a guy with 6 catches for 50 yards could do more for his team than a guy with 1 catch for 50 yards if you think about 1st downs created from catches. That guy potentially did more to help his team by keeping drives alive.


It's purely speculative and hypothetical, though. "Could" and "potentially" may just as easily swing the other way, too. Those six catches might also look like this: 2, 4, 38, -1, 5, and 2; they might easily have only lead to one 1st down, the same as that one 50 yard catch. And that 50 yard catch may have set up the game winning field goal, so it's impact on the game was actually greater. In this case, I think a simpler and more universal approach like the one we currently use is more logical and efficient.


Did we ever finish the discussion on making the flex spot RB/WR/TE?


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For the flex spot; not sure about the PPR, We already have very high scores each week.

With a receiver the amount of catches is usually factored in with the score for yardage. No catches, no yards. You bust a big run, you get extra yards.

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I'm down for the flex spot.

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Also down for the flex spot.
I'm with Lohr on PPR, but I wouldn't be upset if it got passed.

I like having DEF players...anyone else?
Solo tackle 1pt
Assis.tackle .5pt

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Pass on def players

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Care to elaborate? I like them because they can save your ass, kind of like drawing a wild card. Three is nice, but I would be happy with two or one in my pocket.

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We have that in the yearly league and it never really tickled my fancy.

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Same. I don't want a wild card. I spend a long time selecting and developing my team I don't want a def player messing up the curve. Defences have been wild enough the past two years!

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Plus imagine how long the ****ing draft would be. LOL

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In my experience they are just too inconsistent to be useful. I also feel like its a matter of plug and play as there is little difference in the top eh 15 to 20. In the yahoo league I mainly check to make sure they aren't hurt or on a bye otherwise I make little change to them by week 4 or so.

Plus nothing would piss me off more than someone having the Texans Defense, and JJ Watt and he goes off for 10 tackles, 3 sacks, 2 fumbles 1that recovered and a TD. In the end I loose because my opponent got double points for single plays (sacks, fumbles, td).

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Ok sorry, went back and looked at what you put. If it was tackles and tackles only that got points I would be able to tolerate it

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I've done full IDP before and loved it, but again, it was full IDP and we drafted every position. I came back to the Yahoo league this past season and have to say I really didn't dig doing just the three players. Seemed rather pointless, especially since we also have team D. I'd say for me it's an all or nothing thing with IDPs - and like Dex alluded to, we don't have time to draft "all". So, I say thee nay!

And I can pretty much guarantee that Rock will be a big ol' "NO", as well. He's always been against IDPs in the past.



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