I agree. It's the same case I've been making about Star Wars since they first mentioned the standalone films (and an underused, but legitimate, strength of the EU). There's not only room for diversity, there's a need for it to even come close to realizing the potential of this stuff.
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Posted 21 March 2014 - 12:45 PM
I want the F4 to be less SUPERHERO DAY SAVING and more Journey to the Center of the Earth. Still powers, "tights", but the franchise was built to run on sci-fi tropes.
I want to see a DareDevil film that's like a mix of Primal Fear and Se7en.
I want to see The Defenders (Doc Strange, Luke Cage and Iron Fist) in a mystical martial arts tale inside the inner city... like Big Trouble in Little China.
I want to see Superman/Clark with Lois on an adventure not unlike an Allen Quartermain or an Indiana Jones tale but obviously with even grander set pieces considering Clark's abilities. Why is Clark always milling about waiting for a police scanner to buzz? Why can't he be actively investigating a story? Why does Clark have to be "on the city beat"?! Why can't he a National Geographic style guy? Why does Clark need to stop the world from exploding in each film? Can't it still be Superman if the story doesn't put "New York" in danger? Why can't we do Lois and Clark: Romancing the Stone?! And the stone turns out to be kryptonite?!
I want to see Batman investigate a series of murders when we discover we're watching him in a Predator style film. Naturally comic fans should think Killer Croc! And that could work, but so could several less fantastic villains.
Why hasn't Wolverine gone to the Savage Land yet? Or Hulk? It's Jurassic Park were Alan Grant gets to punch back.
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Posted 21 March 2014 - 01:44 PM
I really hope that Winter Soldier shows everyone the fallacy in this way of thinking, especially sequels. Give them that superhero movie the first time out, then mix it up.
Posted 21 March 2014 - 02:05 PM
Batman is unique in that unlike other superheroes he is PERFECT for testing other genres. There's three types of Batman story-- ones where he is a superhero, ones that are styled like high-tech spy thriller, and ones that play like noir crime stories.
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Posted 21 March 2014 - 02:41 PM
Think about Connery's Medicine Man, now make that Bruce Banner. Doesn't have to be an Eco-Friendly plot necessarily, maybe AIM or Hydra is encroaching on the natives instead of a road crew. In the Marvel Filmverse isn't Hydra linked to the Nazi Party? Well the Amazon is in South America. IRL Nazi fled to SA after the war.
The planet doesn't have to be at stake in every superhero film. So many more adventures can be had. Damn, I wish Hollywood could have fun again.
Edited by The Human Torch, 21 March 2014 - 02:43 PM.
Posted 23 March 2014 - 11:17 PM
... "let's make a _____ movie with a superhero in it."
I'm figuring that Marvel will have to do something like that once they run out of origin stories for their primary properties. I hear they're doing an Ant-Man film and are considering a Doctor Strange movie. Eventually they'll have to do something other than reboot or re-tell the origin of a character and actually use their superhero characters in a story that could be told in another movie genre, but by using the superhero character, just as you say. It's likely they've already realised this necessity, hence the plot of Captain America 2.
Posted 06 April 2014 - 03:14 AM
Without being spoilery, plenty of implication going further into Phases 2 and 3. It's like Marvel is aware of getting boxed-in by its own MCU mythology.
Posted 06 April 2014 - 11:01 AM
Still trying to figure out why the Cap exhibit was in the Air & Space Museum instead of the American History Museum. An exhibit consisting of placards, uniforms, and a motorcycle is neither Air nor Space.
Otherwise: one of the best Marvel films yet. I'd have to see it a second time before exalting it with even stronger superlatives, but it's definitely the best 2014 film I've seen so far.
Posted 06 April 2014 - 02:39 PM
Posted 06 April 2014 - 09:06 PM
But it looks sooooo good in 3-D! I can't imagine watching the end on a conventional screen.
Yeah the violence was oddly brutal-- I actually made the call to not take the kid to see this one, preferring to wait for a small screen so as not to be so assaulting on the senses.
Posted 07 April 2014 - 12:59 PM
Cap is one of the only comic book characters (on film) not automatically falling into the "I compromise my values and/or i'm so flawed and/or confused" gimmick overused in too many superhero films of the past 12 years. The contrast is refreshing beyond belief.
Plot: addressing some believing the story was not "complete," well...it was not meant to be. By now, everyone should understand that the solo films are (in large part) set-ups for the Avengers. Unlike solo comics, which have numerous issues to to explore a plot before a crossover, films are not short, and certainly not as free to take time developing the solo story. In the end, CA:TWS was an engaging thriller, and left me looking forward to the next chapter of Cap and the Falcon's story.
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Posted 07 April 2014 - 01:05 PM
Well, I'm not familiar with the Falcon's outfits. The Marvel movies have played pretty fast and loose with the superhero costumes, though, haven't they? A literal adaptation of Rocket Raccoon to the big screen from comics doesn't mean that all adaptations should be or could be literal.
Besides, the red outfit would look cheesy. In fact, all comic superhero outfits look cheesy. Even Superman's. But that's just me - I don't like comics, and don't think the original look from the comics needs to be replicated in a different medium.
But the tendency to dull primary colors down for the sake of presenting comic based films as "gritty" or realistic tends to rob the characters of their fantastic look. That was the problem with the X-Men movies, where they were running around in faux biker outfits, instead of anything evocative of the source. This latest Superman? More of the same--dark, and darker. Some producers need to drop their apparent "shame" of the very thing that helped put the "super" in superhero.