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"Mommy Porn" Twilight Fan Fiction gets a publishing deal


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A trilogy called Fifty Shades of Grey, which started as Twilight fanfic, has, after some tweaks to distance it from its Twilight beginnings, been given a publishing deal.

http://www.huffingto..._n_1336990.html

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James' trilogy began as fan fiction, a thriving genre online in which fans write variations of their favorite books and characters, stories usually intended solely for fellow aficionados. James used the vampire Edward and teen Bella from Stephenie Meyers' mega-selling "Twilight" and placed them in Seattle.


But then it goes on, after detailing some criticism of the trilogy, to say...


Vintage defended "50 Shades" as an original creation with a passionate following.


And goes on to give reasons to back this statement up.

I've always been afraid of unintentionally ripping off an author with my own short fiction. I read so much, it's kind of inevitable. And yes, fanfic is using established characters to tell original stories, I get that and totally honor that. It sounds like this story started with Twilight in mind, but took a completely different direction, which would make it wholly original. But... I'm a little surprised they're letting a story that started as fanfic be published as original work. I seem to remember Stephenie Meyer being ultra-super possessive of Twilight. Especially since the Sarah Wendell quotes the article uses makes it sound like Meyer's voice was pretty blatantly copied. But I wouldn't know, I haven't read this... nor do I want to, honestly.

In conclusion to all of this rambling, hey Mara, just change the names of your characters and planets, and you can sell your SW fanfic as original sci fi!

Thoughts?

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The morons who want nothing original and every story to be the same will gobble this up. The fact that there's a "teen paranormal romance" section in Barnes and Noble now makes me want to die.
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The fact that there's a "teen paranormal romance" section in Barnes and Noble now makes me want to die.


The thing that's sad about this, is that there's so much crap being churned out because it's a hot seller right now, that good stuff, like Clare's Mortal Instruments series, Kate's Fallen series, and Roth's Divergent series get labelled and pigeonholed with the Twilight rip-off crap. "Teen paranormal romance" doesn't automatically mean "suck," I promise!

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The morons who want nothing original and every story to be the same will gobble this up. The fact that there's a "teen paranormal romance" section in Barnes and Noble now makes me want to die.

But everything makes you want to die.


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Ha!

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especially you, pongford
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I was just at Barnes and Noble today looking for a series for my 12-yo niece and I was thoroughly annoyed by all the series choices. Nearly every one had a quote on the back claiming to be the next best thing since Twilight. In the end I just gave up and decided to do some online research instead.

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My friend bought this on her Nook not realizing what it was, she just thought the story sounded good. In the middle of it she started to get suspicious and her fanfic bells started going off (we met in a fanfic community). She googled it and was horrified that she bought repackaged Twilight fanfic. She was so ashamed. :lol:

In conclusion to all of this rambling, hey Mara, just change the names of your characters and planets, and you can sell your SW fanfic as original sci fi!


Ha! She actually wondered out loud if she could do that with her current fic. But it just wouldn't work as well. IMO, if you can repackage your fanfic to be an original work, I wonder how much it was related to the source material in the first place, whether it be through the characters or the universe. (But I do think some things, like tropes and plot ideas, can move from fanfic to original works.)

Re: paranormal romance, it's not my cup of tea, but I'm not going to bag on people for what they want to read. I read enough crap of my own.

that good stuff, like Clare's Mortal Instruments series


Speaking of things that come from fanfic...

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that good stuff, like Clare's Mortal Instruments series


Speaking of things that come from fanfic...


The only reason I picked up Clare's books was because The Secret Diaries... were SO DAMN FUNNY.

Her YA stuff isn't nearly as funny. I cried my way through Clockwork Prince. THAT is love triangle angst.

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I'm pretty sure twilight stared as Vampire Diaries fanfic...
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Wait...this is an erotic novel?

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It's called "mommy porn" for a reason. I assume. I mean, I need to be too drunk to see to watch Edward and Bella get their freak on, I sure as hell don't want to read a whole trilogy about them humping like bunnies.

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Oh my God...I do!

I'm sick. I know this.

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Whatever floats your boat. I'm in no place to judge.

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This salacious novel is apparently making women across the globe creme themselves dry (pardon my french)

be sure to bring a towel with you on the train, although most women are ashamed to carry the book around in print, millions will soon have it on their ereaders

also, it might be a good idea to knock first when visiting Helen in accounting

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be sure to bring a towel with you on the train, although most women are ashamed to carry the book around in print, millions will soon have it on their ereaders


I admit, this is the best part about e-readers. I don't have to be outwardly embarrassed by my reading choices anymore! Just inwardly embarrassed.
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Oh my God...I do!

I'm sick. I know this.


There is NOTHING wrong with that. Why do you think I read so much SW fanfiction? ;)

I'm only partly kidding.

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In conclusion to all of this rambling, hey Mara, just change the names of your characters and planets, and you can sell your SW fanfic as original sci fi!

Thoughts?


Donald Kingsbury wrote a short story called "Historical Crisis" that was published in the anthology Far Futures. It was clearly set in Isaac Asimov's Foundation universe, but with a search-and-replace of the planet names. The characters, at least, were original. He then expanded it into a full-length novel called Psychohistorical Crisis.

The story is great, better than the second Foundation trilogy the Killer-Bs turned out. But the Killer-Bs (Brin, Bear, and Benford) were allowed to play in the Foundation universe legally by the Asimov estate, so they could use Terminus, Trantor, and Kalgan. For some reason, Kingsbury didn't get or seek permission, so he just changed the names of the planets to Faraway, Splendid Wisdom, and Lakgan in the story.

I suppose it's not exactly the same as this Twilight fan-fic, since Kingsbury's characters were original. In that case, then, did the fanfic author create new characters in the Twilight setting? How much of another author's universe can you borrow before it's stealing?

Edited to Add: Kingsbury did reference characters from Asimov's Foundation stories, such as Hari Seldon and the Mule, because those characters are too important to the Foundation stories to not be referenced, but he always only referred to Seldon as "the Founder", and to the Mule as "Cloun-the-Stubborn".

Edited by pavonis, 14 March 2012 - 01:27 PM.


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Donald Kingsbury wrote a short story called "Historical Crisis" that was published in the anthology Far Futures. It was clearly set in Isaac Asimov's Foundation universe, but with a search-and-replace of the planet names. The characters, at least, were original. He then expanded it into a full-length novel called Psychohistorical Crisis.


That is interesting.

I suppose it's not exactly the same as this Twilight fan-fic, since Kingsbury's characters were original. In that case, then, did the fanfic author create new characters in the Twilight setting? How much of another author's universe can you borrow before it's stealing?


That's the question I had. I guess the MC's are just Edward and Bella re-named, but the circumstances are definitely different (Bella was pretty anti-college). I know the setting is different, and who knows if the rest of the Cullens or the wolves are in there, too (well, okay, I'm sure Mara's friend knows).

It's not like Edward and Bella are original tropes. My initial reaction to Twilight was that Edward was a total Lestat clone, and Bella was pretty much every shoujo manga heroine cliche. So, I can see this being inspired by but still original work.

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So. I just checked out a digital library book, which requires logging into Amazon to put it on your cloud. As is typical, they try to sell me more books. And under the "Bestselling Kindle Titles" category, Fifty Shades of Grey was the first they had listed. Over The Hunger Games. Wow.

Poking more around the site, it's under the New York Times Bestseller category. I admit to losing some faith in humanity.

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My boss said he was going to get me a gift card to Barnes & Noble for my 1 year anniversay with the company. I think I'm going to use it to buy this book for my Nook and report to y'all.
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The whole trilogy is out, btw. So you don't have to wait to get more awkward sex when you finish Fifty.

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ACES!!

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The world would be a better place if women would just use a dildo instead of creating stuff like this...
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So I totally bought this. I got $50 for the Nook...what else should I get? Let's assume I feel no need to finish the trilogy.